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 Post subject: Channel 7 Today Tonight report 3/10/05 - PULP/ULP/E5/E10
Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:03 pm 
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Did anyone see the report on ethanol in our fuel - 10% and 5% blends.

Claims that 10% gets more kilometres from your tank.

Has anyone bought E10 and noticed a difference compared to PULP or ULP?

The bad news is, the ethanol blended fuel is being charged at the same price (per litre) as ULP.

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:35 pm 
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Henry Ford was a huge supporter of ethanol fuel as he wanted the money from fuel sales to go to the farmers. But I think petrol won over due to being easy to supply and cheap back in the day.

In regards to ethanol, a few years ago there was complaints and that about servos adding ethanol to the petrol, so how come it's acceptable now?

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:45 pm 
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Johnny said so.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:51 pm 
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Cause a few years ago, it wasn't regulated. Some Servo operators were putting huge amounts of Ethanol into the fuels they were selling.
Now it can only be a maximum of 10% with any fuel sold.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:58 pm 
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Cause a few years ago, it wasn't regulated. Some Servo operators were putting huge amounts of Ethanol into the fuels they were selling.
Now it can only be a maximum of 10% with any fuel sold.


Yeah but arn't they planning on phasing it in more and more?
What are the pro's and con's of ethanol?

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:12 pm 
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Well, for starters, loss of power by 2 to 3%.

Any more than 10% can damage fuel lines.

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:18 pm 
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Yeah it does have corrosive properties, but i heard that there are a great deal of other 'stuff' to neutralise anything harmful.
Tests have shown you should actually get an increase in performance over PULP. The downside is that you have to advance your timing to get these benfits. Couldn't be easy with factory ECU, right?

Even with all that said, i'm not 100% game to try it just yet.
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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:27 pm 
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The downside is that you have to advance your timing to get these benfits. Couldn't be easy with factory ECU, right?


Depends on teh car, e.g. EF and EL I6's should automatically advance the timing themselves, weather the ECU can do it enough is another story. The distrubter cars should be able to be manually advanced.

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:57 pm 
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Well would this fuel be alright to use in the windsor?
I can get E10 from my local 7/11 at the same price as ULP and s**t if the test shows that you can get more mileage I'll buy it but I want to be sure it wont f**k the engine at all?

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:07 pm 
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EL XR8 wrote:
The downside is that you have to advance your timing to get these benfits. Couldn't be easy with factory ECU, right?


Depends on teh car, e.g. EF and EL I6's should automatically advance the timing themselves, weather the ECU can do it enough is another story. The distrubter cars should be able to be manually advanced.


not true.. while they do have knock sensors, these will only retard the timing at the time of need.
if the base timing isnt advanced then they won't advance themselves.

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:16 pm 
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IIRC ethanol has a higher octane rating

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:37 pm 
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G'day

The latest street machine mag has a write up on this very topic. I dont have it with me but i think it says that the e10 is more fuel effiecant and it produces more horsepower.

As for the corrosion i'm not sure but i know if i put e10 in my carby wagon it runs on after you switch the key off and pings like crazy.

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:02 pm 
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Ethanol is fine on Falcons according to ABC.

http://www.abc.net.au/brisbane/stories/s1056358.htm

 

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Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:25 pm 
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blah blah blah
the hype around ethanol is unjustifed
fact cars in canda have been using higher blended enthanol fuel for 15-20yrs now with no probs.
fact Cairns city council runs their fleet on them no probs
and Cairns MP Warren Entch runs his harley on it too.
I ran it in my old ute xg longreach, and xh work ute and my xr6 sedan
no problems at all you wouldn't even know the difference.

Lastly I saw on TT or ACA some dude that owns a servo running his BA on E85 (yeap 85% blend) no internal engine mods just some box under the bonnet which he reckons cost 250 bucks (dunno how it works might adjust timing I suppose) and yes no probs.
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Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:00 am 
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More reading

http://autorepair.about.com/cs/generalinfo/a/aa102100a_2.htm

Layman's terms - lacks in any real science

E85?? That's almost Scotch...or given it's QLD - Bundy!!!
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