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 Post subject: 150 at the wheels , 627 ft lb of torque
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:44 am 
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can some1 tell me how many killowatts that would be in the engine??? like u know how a standard 4.0 comes out as 148killowatts so what would that make mine???? its a ford eb falcon
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:03 am 
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EA 3spd 88/89 CFI 120kw, EA CFI 4spd early 1990 late 1990 went to EFI 139kw to early 1991, EB 4spd 1991 142kw EB ii 92/93 EFI 148kw, 93/94 ED 4spd EFI 148kw
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:53 am 
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If its 150 killa-wogs at the treads, I can confirm there will be more of them in your motor.
I would suggest removing them and disposing of in a greenpeace approved manner.

Having too many killa-wogs is detrimental to your tyres and may create excess carbon pollution.


Seriously though, I would expect about 180ish will-a-wogs at the fly, maybe more depending on transmission health.

 

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 Post subject: Re: 150 at the wheels , 627 ft lb of torque
Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:53 am 
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can some1 tell me how many killowatts that would be in the engine??? like u know how a standard 4.0 comes out as 148killowatts so what would that make mine???? its a ford eb falcon


150rwkw is maybe 190kw at the fly...but that was just my guestimation of 20% loss through the drive train. Could be way wrong.

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:21 am 
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A good rule of thumb is a manual will lose 15-20% between the engine and the wheels, 20-25% for an automatic, toward the high end of the range with a high stall. It's rough, but gives a realistic idea.

For example, if you were losing 20% in the drivetrain, 80% of engine power is what you will measure at the treads. So, 150kw at the wheels divided by 80% (.80) gives 187.5kw at the flywheel.

The 627 ft-lb of torque at the wheels is a bit of a worry. That's about 850Nm - at least 1000Nm at the flywheel - the same as Mercedes twin-turbo V12 SL65 AMG. If you're getting that from an N/A EB 4.0, you'd better share your secret :D

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:44 am 
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times your rwkw by 1.31 and there is your answer in engine kw, aprox...
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:05 pm 
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Why does it matter what the engine output is anyway?? Unless you plan to use the flywheel in direct contract with the ground the only thing that matters is what you're laying down at the wheels.

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:36 pm 
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Waggin wrote:
Why does it matter what the engine output is anyway?? Unless you plan to use the flywheel in direct contract with the ground the only thing that matters is what you're laying down at the wheels.


exacty. why are people so obsessed with how much fwkw they hav? if you have 1000fwkw but ur only puttin out 150rwkw and do a 16sec qtr ur just gonna look like a fool with 1000kw badges.

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:37 pm 
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Why does it matter what the engine output is anyway?? Unless you plan to use the flywheel in direct contract with the ground the only thing that matters is what you're laying down at the wheels.


exacty. why are people so obsessed with how much fwkw they hav? if you have 1000fwkw but ur only puttin out 150rwkw and do a 16sec qtr ur just gonna look like a fool with 1000kw badges.


you would have to have one huge heavy a** drive line to loose that much power to the wheels...lol :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The 1000KW badges would add additional weight, wind drag and hence - slower down the quarter mile too!

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 11:46 pm 
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EA 3spd 88/89 CFI 120kw, EA CFI 4spd early 1990 late 1990 went to EFI 139kw to early 1991, EB 4spd 1991 142kw EB ii 92/93 EFI 148kw, 93/94 ED 4spd EFI 148kw


ED had 145kw :o dont no why the EB had 3kw more?????

 

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 12:18 am 
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nope ED wagon had 145kw, sedan had 148kw and late EB ii had 148kw aswell
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http://autospeed.com.au/cms/A_2233/printArticle.html

"The ED Falcon is a strange step backward in terms of performance. Jim Mock says the camshaft was detuned from EBII specs and, as a result, power slipped from 148 to 145kW. This might not seem much, but we’re told that the on-road lack of performance was noticeable. From a tuning perspective, the ED engine only makes things harder compared to the EBII engine."

 

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:08 am 
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its all bull s**t if you ask me..
the early ed has a eb engine and the later ed has an ef engine with a log manifold and dizzy.. the std cams from eb to early el are all the same..
ford wouldnt change a cam profile for just one model..
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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:47 pm 
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its all bull s**t if you ask me..
the early ed has a eb engine and the later ed has an ef engine with a log manifold and dizzy.. the std cams from eb to early el are all the same..
ford wouldnt change a cam profile for just one model..


Well, they did. An EA cam has 4 degrees more duration on the exhaust than an ED std cam....the lift is the same. Also, the timing is slightly different too.....this is all for the lowering of the NOx to pass emissions.
I am using an EA cam & cylinder head on my ED....and it makes 150 rwkw.

 

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