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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:31 pm 
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1636 wont get you anywhere near 175rwkw, regardless of the headwork or compression you have.
From Wade you'd need at least the 1521a IMHO. You might be able to get there with a 977B, though it would be easier with the bigger cam. Maybe a big surecam cam, or crow?
Combine that with some nice headwork (port n polish, valves, springs, decked,) and a rebuilt botttom end, with an AU MLS gasket in the middle.. You'll need a J3 with a custom dyno tune (far cheaper), or other management system to run it all.. I'd say you'll be over 170rwkw with that combination..

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:32 pm 
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None of the factory manifolds are going to make the power easily.

You are going to need a custom built intake manifold to suit the engine.
You'll also need alot of compression and alot of revs, think 7000+. you won't do it on stock rods and pistons.

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:43 pm 
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DRHEMI wrote:

Either alot of eseries guys are full of s**t - which i kmow alot are

Or you can get these numbers but have to spend the cash to get there


i agree on both of those..
ive seen my fair share of e series owners pull power figures out of there asses.. :lol: :lol:

previously i spent around $2000 on a top end.head/cam combo and the car was busting its a** to get 150rwkw..
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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:52 pm 
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HALTECH PLATINUM ECU is the way to go in ecu's.
I do think that a big cam is needed, something like 230-250 @ .050 duration & over .550 thou lift.
Big comp. bigger in.-ex. valves & a very good port job. All this equals big revs.
GOOD LUCK WITH IT ALL & GO FOR IT. 8-)

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:11 pm 
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well this head place quotes it is good for 175rwkw so the cam must obviously be better than the 1636 and still run on stock ecu?

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:59 pm 
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Your talking about the Hoppers Heads Reco Head - pretty good value if it works

FORD EA - EL
FULL RECO HEAD
NEW OVERSIZE EXHAUST VALVES
NEW SPRINGS
PORTED
PERFORMANCE GROUND CAM (any wade cam)
$ 1095.00 inc. GST

Saw the add in Street Fords - Good Price for a claim of upto 175rwkw :)

Apparently 175rwkw was achieved in an EF Manual without a Modified ECU
Just Extractors and Exhaust :)
ACL Rebuild Bottom end though just to tighten it up.........

Tested Car had a Wade Cam - dunno what profile

www.hoppersheads.com.au

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:23 pm 
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DRHEMI wrote:
Your talking about the Hoppers Heads Reco Head - pretty good value if it works

FORD EA - EL
FULL RECO HEAD
NEW OVERSIZE EXHAUST VALVES
NEW SPRINGS
PORTED
PERFORMANCE GROUND CAM (any wade cam)
$ 1095.00 inc. GST

Saw the add in Street Fords - Good Price for a claim of upto 175rwkw :)

Apparently 175rwkw was achieved in an EF Manual without a Modified ECU
Just Extractors and Exhaust :)
ACL Rebuild Bottom end though just to tighten it up.........

Tested Car had a Wade Cam - dunno what profile

www.hoppersheads.com.au


I've just sent them an email asking about valve sizes and flow figures for the head in that package.

I'f they can't/wont supply that info, i wouldn't be buying it

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:24 pm 
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The Haltech Platinum can be spliced into the genuine Ford EF-EL PCM.
My co worker wired one last week into a EF TURBO at HITMAN'S workshop. Still using the idle control circuit.
Waiting for power results.

 

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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:43 pm 
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None of the factory manifolds are going to make the power easily.

You are going to need a custom built intake manifold to suit the engine.
You'll also need alot of compression and alot of revs, think 7000+. you won't do it on stock rods and pistons.



lol ticky, as I was reading down I had the exact response formulating away.

Ill second everything there, a tuned intake for high rpm, and a 6.5-7k rpm engine.

power is a biproduct of torque multiplied by revs, so you need to make the engine produce more torque further up in the rev range, which is measurable by volumetric efficiency. An undersquare motor like our 4l sohc six has highest VE at about 3000 rpm iirc. which is why turbo's go so well on them, as they are pumping more exhaust gas low down than an oversquare motor, hence better spool up. the boost also benefits the undersquare motors poor VE characteristics at high rpm.

you need to oversize the pistons, and strengthen the crank and block. its a big job. you are basically redesigning the whole motor.

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:06 am 
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i do understand that, this is what im trying to find out, what can i do to the rest of the engine to make its output closer to what the head can flow seeing as im going with this head i want to know what can be done to the engine itself to make more power.

 

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:22 am 
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the fed wrote:
wild_cleveland wrote:
well this head place quotes it is good for 175rwkw so the cam must obviously be better than the 1636 and still run on stock ecu?


you got to read between the lines.
they say its good for 175rwkw it doesnt mean it will get the 175rwkw on its own?
you can get 175rwkw from a stock head if you put a turbo on it.
to get 175rwkw na you would need to spend atleast $6000+
i think its a play on words as some head places quote there heads will flow up to 500hp but it dont mean they will get that hp by just bolting it on,


I agree. I think they're quoting dyno figures from some of the engines they've built using the head and cam package. As mentioned above, the engines probably have ACL race pistons and other mods to get that output.

I found the company good to deal with and they didn't waste any time getting the work done.

 

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 Post subject: Re: 190rwkw for ef possible?
Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:02 pm 
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Why a 1636 even been mentioned in this thread is beyond me...

If you want this level of power it isn't as simple as getting headwork done, getting a rebuilt bottom end and then getting the biggest cam you can find...everything will have to be matched. I guess if you don't intend on building it yourself that's not a problem as an engine builder would know this.

What do you intend to use the car for?

 

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:11 pm 
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read the first page of what i have, it will be a complete rebuild, it will be used to drive but want as much power as possible with it still suitable to drive on the street, i can handle a lumpy idle but nothin like the 977b i dont mind the idle of the cam in this engine though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqR_ifA9rL8

does anyone know what cam it is, the specs dont show up on my computer

 

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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:48 pm 
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977b is a p***y cam, idles like stock.. bigger the better!

Cam in vid is a wade 1543b..
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:36 pm 
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anyone got the 1543 to work well in an auto?

 

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