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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:42 pm 
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aparently jim mock has cams for these motors ?? has anyone tried one??
Does any one know if any one in perth does cams for these motors??
or just custom grind them ???

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:46 pm 
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if you're looking for custom grinds, sure cams may be worth a shot - johno (SVO XR6) had one done for his XR - and seems very happy with it.

edit: they're in QLD by the way...

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:52 pm 
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hey ugly bob do u know any places around perth for cams

 

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not especially - a group of guys just got a pile of cams over from wade & installed them themselves - from what i'm told its not too hard a job - you mechanically minded? :P

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:00 pm 
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yeah suppost i've rebuilt a 250 crossflow b4 (xf motor) but 1 problem my motor is a hybrid and aparently no ordinary el stg 2 cam will fit????
got any suggestions on these motors about cams??

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:59 pm 
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arm79 has a hybrid engine, he was getting a cam for that. might ve worth dropping him a PM

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:03 pm 
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could some one tell me what the problem is with these engine and cams?

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:05 pm 
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basically it is an EL block with an AU head incl cam

 

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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 10:07 pm 
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so it's easy you use AU cams. the only real difference is the rocker ratio

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:05 pm 
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tickford_6 wrote:
so it's easy you use AU cams. the only real difference is the rocker ratio


No you don't.

arm79 tried that and it made his car run like a bucket of piss.

http://www.fordmods.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=41320#41320
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So I contacted wade, gave them the existing cam part number and was told it was an AU cam, so I swapped it for their AU stage 2 equivalent. I was told at that stage the cam specs were very similar to the AU XR6 cam of the time, and may not notice much difference. I believe Disco Frank has tried this cam as well, and he found that there was no performance difference.

But when I ran mine, it was found the car would not idle. Actually anything under 2000rpm the car would splutter, die and generally run like s**t. Over 2000rpm it ran pretty well.

I let it try and learn itself for a couple of days. Drove to Geelong and back a couple of times, and still didnt learn. So I took cam out the next night. When I put the old cam back in, the first thing it did after I started the car was to shoot a big loads of black s**t out the exhaust for 5 minutes. So I can only assume the car was running mega rich the whole time.

After a chat to the good guys at wade, I was able to return the cam (thanks again). I had further chats with Brendan at Jim Mock's and he told me the cam work required for an AU is alot different than an EL. You cant just slap an cam into an AU and it will work like the 1004 in an EL, you have to do some work to make it happen.



I tried emailing crow cams about it but they never bothered replying.

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 9:16 pm 
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ok so we are talking about an EF bottom end with a complete AU head.
so the head flows like an AU head and the bottom end is still a 4L
and the aftermarket AU cam doesn't run it. does any one els see how stupid that is.


the thing is the same wade stg2 cam runs fine in EA to EL. but the heads are very different between modles. yet a cam designed for an AU head doesn't run righ in an AU head.


want a fix for it. Get some pre hybrid rocker gear. then the normal wade 1004 grind will work. no reason why it wouldn't

 

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hey tickford 6 wil the e series rocker gear fit on the au head?

 

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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:52 pm 
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Disco Frank wrote:
hey tickford 6 wil the e series rocker gear fit on the au head?


as far as i know it does.

it would seem strange to change the mountings on the head for no reason

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:16 am 
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Disco Frank wrote:
hey tickford 6 wil the e series rocker gear fit on the au head?


nope.

Different sized/shape ports and locations apparently.

Its not a straight swap, EA-EL is 2:1 ratio and EL(hyb)-AU is 1.8:1 anyway.

like tickford_6 said, only way you would make e-series gear fit in a hybrid would be to replace the top with a pre-hybrid ef/el head. bottom end is otherwise the same.

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the thing is the same wade stg2 cam runs fine in EA to EL. but the heads are very different between modles. yet a cam designed for an AU head doesn't run righ in an AU head.


Apparently its not quite as simple as throwing a cam into an AU like you can in the E-series according to jmm.

The hybrid cam might have special lobe profiles etc which makes it run properly based on the rest of the EL engine, throwing a cam which is sort of designed for that engine into it doesn't mean its going to work.

Maybe the EL ECU can't handle a genuine AU cam properly.. i.e. the fuel and timing maps aren't designed around the AU cam. Again this assumes the EL/AU cam isn't a generic series 1 AU cam tho.

I don't know if its ever been stated or verified by ford that the hybrid heads are 100% AU (i.e. a direct swap from the assembly line) or if they are a mixture of EL and AU parts to make the head.

If its say 20% EL and 75% AU with 5% custom components to make it all fit together then theres any number of things which could stop an AU cam working in it properly....


I've emailed crow again about the 2232549 profile, they didnt bother replying to me last time tho.

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2005 1:51 pm 
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Got a reply back from ray at crowcams.

2232549 cams can be used in the hybrids but it needs a chip.

they said chiptorque (because its piggyback) in the email but I guess any aftermarket ECU would do.

*snip * 8<


Hi
this cam suit 4 month 98 on but need a chip to run Chip torque do a
suitable plug in module
Yours Ray

----- Original Message -----
To: <caminquiry@crowcams.com.au>
Cc: <ray@crowcams.com.au>
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:51 AM
Subject: 2232549 profile for Feb-Aug 98 EL falcon


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> Hi Crow cams,
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> Can anyone confirm if this cam can be used as a performance upgrade cam in
the Feb-Aug 98
> "hybrid" EL falcon motors?
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> If so, do these cams need an aftermarket ECU to work properly or can the
standard ECU
> relearn the cam?
>
>
> Any help or knowledge about this engine and cam would be great.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>


maybe its time to start ringing around your local crow distributors seeing if they know anything.

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