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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:29 pm 
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This is any old BBM conversion thread. I asked ages ago when i was a noobie on this site. Just a few queastions!

Can a EF/EL BBM manifold with the butterflys and guts removed using the fuel rail, EB injectors and EB loom?

Would the engine run as it would with the Log manifold? (i assume it would as there isn't any butterfly operations and no varible speed operations)

What would i need?
BBM manifold
Throttle Body
Fuel Rail
AU or EF or EL or BA ducting
" Airbox & Snorkel
EF/EL Acclarator Cable and Pedal

Would there be any gains in this?

 

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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:43 pm 
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No need to use the EB fuel rail, not even sure it'll work.
The bbm goes on easy.
Use your own EB wiring harness, plumb in the complete vacuum switch setup from an EL and run a wire from the ecu to said switch and run an EL ecu.

Read these:
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/gutless- ... 49340.html
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40806

 

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:32 am 
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knowsfords wrote:
No need to use the EB fuel rail, not even sure it'll work.
The bbm goes on easy.
Use your own EB wiring harness, plumb in the complete vacuum switch setup from an EL and run a wire from the ecu to said switch and run an EL ecu.

Read these:
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/gutless- ... 49340.html
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40806


no i would use the BBM fuel rail, i don't want to convert it to run the butterflys and such... just want it a gutted manifold so just becomes a plenum chamber. i don't want to go through the whole drama of setting this up on a non-smartlock car. basically one weekend unbolt the log manifold setting loom and injectors to the side. bolting up the gutted el manifold and up gasket up... injectors loom fuel rail etc,,, then replace pedal + cable and ducting box etc etc and then start it and take it for a run.

 

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:32 am 
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Many would argue that there is no real benefit of converting to a full operational BBM from a Log Manifold. I see even less point in converting to one with no guts in it.

It would work well down low, but would struggle at the top end, as there is no high speed path for the air to flow.

The only exception would be if you had a boosted engine.

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:45 am 
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EB loom will need the IAC - TPS - IAT sensor plugs changed / extended.

EF/EL fuel rail, you will need to cut the crimp off the fuel rail fittings then push your flexible lines onto them. please make sure the rail has no fuel in it before doing this

You will need an EF/EL acc cable and bracket (and maybe accel pedal) and if you DONT have an EF-AU rocker cover you will need to drill+tap yours for the bracket.

you'll also need to bend your heater pipes out of the way.

you can leave the guts intact and run it with your ECU, ive played around with using long and short runners, i find short runners works best long runners give nothing up high.

I did my conversion on sunday - and if your car wont turn over afterwards, check to see that the red wire going to the starter solenoid? hasnt come off :)

 

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:50 am 
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BenJ wrote:
Many would argue that there is no real benefit of converting to a full operational BBM from a Log Manifold. I see even less point in converting to one with no guts in it.

It would work well down low, but would struggle at the top end, as there is no high speed path for the air to flow.

The only exception would be if you had a boosted engine.

BenJ


what ya mean benj top end like speed or top end of the rev range???

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EB loom will need the IAC - TPS - IAT sensor plugs changed / extended.

EF/EL fuel rail, you will need to cut the crimp off the fuel rail fittings then push your flexible lines onto them. please make sure the rail has no fuel in it before doing this

You will need an EF/EL acc cable and bracket (and maybe accel pedal) and if you DONT have an EF-AU rocker cover you will need to drill+tap yours for the bracket.

you'll also need to bend your heater pipes out of the way.

you can leave the guts intact and run it with your ECU, ive played around with using long and short runners, i find short runners works best long runners give nothing up high.

I did my conversion on sunday - and if your car wont turn over afterwards, check to see that the red wire going to the starter solenoid? hasnt come off :)


What is the go with the tappet/rocker cover? what bracket? (not the one that holds the ducting)

 

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:04 am 
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there is a tapped hole in EF-AU rocker covers for the bracket that holds the end of the acc cable. the intake ducting is held by posts on top of the rocker cover bolts themselvs (or nothing in my case)

 

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:07 pm 
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JOSE wrote:
there is a tapped hole in EF-AU rocker covers for the bracket that holds the end of the acc cable. the intake ducting is held by posts on top of the rocker cover bolts themselvs (or nothing in my case)


Fair enough....

 

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Rev Range mate.

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:54 pm 
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yeah i been reading and thinking if i am going to do it i may aswell do it right the first time so on saturday i am off to the orange wreckers.. to see Jason (owner) going to get a manifold, fuel rail, ducting box etc etc for $100.. cheap as chips.

 

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:08 pm 
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And don't forget you need the big long metal heater pipe that goes from behind the water pump, under the extractors, around the back of the head and under the manifold, and the heater hoses from the firewall are different as well.

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or bend them down and out of the way

 

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