Fordmods Logo

BenJ's EL Engine Conversion 

 

Page 1 of 9 [ 129 posts ] Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 9  Next

 
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:16 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5503

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

OK, a small update.

The EL Engine has now been removed from the car and is safely at PaulMacs' place. The engine now removed, looks even better than it did in the car. It is really clean, with no signs of leaks or missuse anywhere.

Image

Image

The install date is the 24th Feb. Wooohoooo :lol: :lol: :lol:

One week and counting.


In preparation of the conversion, I have been busy modding the inlet manifold loom. The reason you can't use the EL loom with the EB is because the plugs on the EL BBM loom are square and the EB uses round plugs.

Kudos to Troyman for his guide as much of the knowledge comes from there.

I had a spare loom off the log manifold from my EB parts car. To alter the EB loom to fit the BBM manifold, the TPS and ICS plugs need to be relocated to reach the throttle body on the BBM.

From the wreckers I sourced EL TPS and ICS Loom plugs as they can be different to the EB. I found that the TPS plugs are the same but the ICS plugs are different. Seeing as I needed to cut the plugs off to lengthen the loom I used the newer plugs. It is possible to use the existing EB plugs, so long as you mount the EB TPS and ICS on the BBM throttle body.

Below is the loom before and after I adjusted it. It is now ready to attach to the EL motor.

Before

Image

After

Image

I intend to take a few photos of the conversion and will post a quick guide and any difficulties encountered.

Regards
BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:51 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Age: 37

Posts: 1087

Joined: 1st Sep 2007

Ride: '07 LT XR5

Power: 133 rwkw

Location: sydney
NSW, Australia

jesus mate, im glad that all makes sense to you! :D best of luck mate

 

_________________

So much RAM the motherboard twisted off the POST.

I lost 3 cylinders... but gained a turbo...
Proud owner of an '07 XR5Turbo

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:02 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5503

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Small Update

Today I received a Smartlock Bypass Module. I have hooked it up and started the car using a smartlock EBII ECU and an EL Tickford Gas ECU.

I have also added extra pins to the ECU plug for Smartlock, the BBM Solenoid, knock sensor and a wire for the EL Gas ECU to tell it to run on petrol. Using some loom from an EB Bootlid, I ran wires from near the ECU through the Firewall via the hole the vacuum pipes run through to behind the washer bottle.

I have also mounted the BBM Solenoid in its correct location. Unfortunately this is where the the Cruise Contol vacuum pump is located in the EB, so I relocated it down the inner guard by wedging it under the brake lines. This will do for now until I can drill some holes and bolt it in properely. And, yes the cruise still works :D

Everything seems to be falling into place for Sunday, so it should go relatively smoothly.

I just have to wire up the plugs for the BBM solenoid and the knock sensor.

Next update should hopefully be good news re the successful completion.

Regards
BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:14 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

so this sunday is the big engine change hey...
i bet you cant wait lol...

is your car running with the el tickford ecu at the moment?
im curious if the el ecu,s timing/fuel map made a difference on your current engine without the bbm??

i changed my ecu over to a(tickford engined) fairmont ghia ecu yesterday and all i can say is that there is a nice torque improvement over the std hybrid ecu that i had...it goes to show that the tickford ghia ecu has a similar map to the xr6 ecu..
at 1/4 of the price of the xr one..
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:34 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5503

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Hey Troyman

Yes, I left the EL Gas Tickford ECU in just to see what differences there are. As I understand it, this ECU uses standard petrol maps, but also has optimised fuel maps for LPG. I just made sure the ECU used the petrol maps by sending 12volts to pin 8.

So far I can say that it is lacking below 3800rpm but then pulls harder. I presume this is because the fuel/timing maps don't suit the log manifold below 3800rpm. Other differences noted are that the Power/Economy switch is reversed on the auto, and the auto shift points are different as well as feeling more refined.

It is interesting you comment on the use of an EL Ghia ECU, as I was wondering about that. There was one on Ebay last week for $30. I wish I had got it now. Oh well, will keep an eye out for one in the future.

I also believe there is a benefit from using AU injectors due to the improved spray pattern. You may already be using them as they would have come with your engine, but I will source some for the EL engine in the near future.

Yes, the anticipation is building as Sunday draws closer.

Hopefully we can meet on Friday night at Liverpool.

Regards

BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:37 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 47

Posts: 1669

Joined: 23rd Dec 2004

Gallery: 1 images

Ride: Boosted ED XR6, EBII Mont Wgn

Power: 252 rwkw

Location: Mildura
VIC, Australia

TROYMAN wrote:
i changed my ecu over to a(tickford engined) fairmont ghia ecu yesterday and all i can say is that there is a nice torque improvement over the std hybrid ecu that i had...it goes to show that the tickford ghia ecu has a similar map to the xr6 ecu..
at 1/4 of the price of the xr one..


its a shame fairmont ghias didn't come factory with manuals :(

 

_________________

Image
[SEXYR-6] ED XR6 T5 Turbo Build
[EBW-347] EB Wagon V8 Stroker Build
FordMods Member #1761

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:41 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

actually im about to change my injectors over to au ones..
i originally used the el manifold and injectors.

im planning to come an friday .
im still alittle disabled with my ankle (hobling around on crutches)lol
but i can now push the clutch in without to much discomfort so im hoping to be there..
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:43 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

sexyr6 wrote:
TROYMAN wrote:
i changed my ecu over to a(tickford engined) fairmont ghia ecu yesterday and all i can say is that there is a nice torque improvement over the std hybrid ecu that i had...it goes to show that the tickford ghia ecu has a similar map to the xr6 ecu..
at 1/4 of the price of the xr one..


its a shame fairmont ghias didn't come factory with manuals :(


yea i know hay..
im using the old resistor trick and its idling good no hunting no revs hanging so im happy to use the auto one..
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:19 pm 
Technical Contributor
Offline

Age: 56

Posts: 3227

Joined: 12th Feb 2007

Gallery: 10 images

Ride: Falcon

Power: 113 rwkw

Location: your mums
NSW, Australia

fordebgt93 is using AU injectors in his EB

 

_________________

BANNED

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:31 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 5503

Joined: 20th May 2005

Gallery: 11 images

Ride: EB1 Fairmont Ghia T5 Wagon

Location: Seven Hills, Sydney
NSW, Australia

Woooohoooo

Tomorrow is the big day :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

PaulMac reckons we will have it done in around 4hrs. I have done a lot of prep work relating to the ECU and BBM side of things so that shouldn't slow us down.

I hope to drop by the Tuggerah Car Show early afternoon to say hi to the crew there and possibly cruise back to Sydney with them.

Next update should be tomorrow night with some good news.

BenJ

 

_________________

BenJ's EB T5 DOHC Ghia Wagon - Current Ride
BenJ's EB GL Sedan - Previous Ride
My respect and thanks go to - snap0964, Paulmac, SWC and MRE-50L

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:51 pm 
Smokin em up
Offline

Age: 61

Posts: 218

Joined: 12th Jun 2005

Location: hobart
TAS, Australia

TROYMAN wrote:
actually im about to change my injectors over to au ones..
i originally used the el manifold and injectors.

im planning to come an friday .
im still alittle disabled with my ankle (hobling around on crutches)lol
but i can now push the clutch in without to much discomfort so im hoping to be there..


thanks for your help , au2 in the nc2 is great any how correct me if im wrong but i checked the part no on the au2 injectors and they come up as 14lb so i stayed with nc injectors which are 19lb

 

_________________

NC2 Fairlane AU2 Intech 4.0 Wolf V500 ECU Accel 500cc Injectors Eaton M90 Blower MPx Porting 75mm Mustang TB Intercooler Holley 255lph EL XR6 Rear End 3.45 LSD Duel Fuel lots more.
Long and Very Nice

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:15 pm 
Technical Contributor
Offline

Age: 56

Posts: 3227

Joined: 12th Feb 2007

Gallery: 10 images

Ride: Falcon

Power: 113 rwkw

Location: your mums
NSW, Australia

its the way they spray thats allot diffrent, better spray pattern

 

_________________

BANNED

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:41 am 
Moderator
Offline

Posts: 14489

Joined: 7th Nov 2004

Ride: AU XR8

Location: a shit suburb in sydney
NSW, Australia

xfpaul wrote:
TROYMAN wrote:
actually im about to change my injectors over to au ones..
i originally used the el manifold and injectors.

im planning to come an friday .
im still alittle disabled with my ankle (hobling around on crutches)lol
but i can now push the clutch in without to much discomfort so im hoping to be there..


thanks for your help , au2 in the nc2 is great any how correct me if im wrong but i checked the part no on the au2 injectors and they come up as 14lb so i stayed with nc injectors which are 19lb


do you have that part no?
there are some guys who are getting good numbers with au injectors and ive heard that the au injectors possably flow 21lbs?
and std injectors only flow 18.15 to 18.25? acording to there part no

its mentioned in this thread.
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/stock-in ... 59369.html
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:50 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline

Posts: 6113

Joined: 8th May 2007

according to injectors online, the eseries are 18lbs and the AU is 20lbs
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:53 pm 
Technical Contributor
Offline

Age: 56

Posts: 3227

Joined: 12th Feb 2007

Gallery: 10 images

Ride: Falcon

Power: 113 rwkw

Location: your mums
NSW, Australia

i rang Benj just over a hour ago and they havent got the new motoer in as yet, lets hope its in soon

 

_________________

BANNED

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 9  [ 129 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 9  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 58 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Sat Apr 20, 2024 11:31 am All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names