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The orange box is the smart lock module...
The black box beside the cd player is the BEM... I know this because smartlock "immobilises" the car and thats the orange (red) module... When I was playing around with my variable wipers you'd assume the intermittent timing is controlled by the BEM yes? Well when I unplug the black box the wipers loose their Int function... Now I fixed my smartlock module and its not dry contacts at all... well not in my case... unless someone else has fixed dry contacts? There is about 4 or 5 relays on the board... The one that immobilises the car is a relay that is two relays in one (not sure what the other half does)... But its two coils, and two sets of SPDT contacts. All i did to fix it was unsolder it and turn it around (180 degrees) and solder it back in virtually swapping the relays in the two circuits over... (whatever the other one is?) and I've never had a problem with it since... My opinion of it is that the relay was not rated high enough of was of a sub-standard quality... and as such causes these problems... I wanted to swap the relays for solid state relays of a higher current capability... This was you have no mechanical moving parts and they last forever due to no mechanical wear... I'll get around to this one day when I have a spare 30 or 40 bucks to do it as solid state relays aren't cheap and you require two to do the job... and feel like screaming and arguing at the smartlock module when it wont come out from around the hand brake... Hope this provides some insight... But like I said the two I had here weren't dry joints but d**k relays... Either with gunk in the contacts and they don't close or just plain simple mechanism wear and they wont engage... Cheers...
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Do you know if the relay can be bought as a spare part from Jaycar or DSE?
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SLO247 wrote: WILDEB wrote: just solder and bridge it. easier fix Which wires? it's either red with blue trace or blue with red trace. not both those colours are there. only 1 of the combination is there so it'll be easy to find
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it goes in and comes out the same colour
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Cool, now it makes sense. I gather it has an input and an output plug, this is for a friend. Both my cars are pre dumb lock.
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nalane wrote: Cool, now it makes sense. I gather it has an input and an output plug, this is for a friend. Both my cars are pre dumb lock. so is mine. now don't remove the wires from the BCM. just bare them back and solder a joining wire. tape up and your done. no more problems
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WILDEB wrote: nalane wrote: Cool, now it makes sense. I gather it has an input and an output plug, this is for a friend. Both my cars are pre dumb lock. so is mine. now don't remove the wires from the BCM. just bare them back and solder a joining wire. tape up and your done. no more problems Will do. Job done. |
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nalane wrote: Do you know if the relay can be bought as a spare part from Jaycar or DSE? Hi there... No I very much doubt so... It is a very odd relay in terms of the arrangement of the pins on the bottom... I would basically use a dab of hot glue to hold a replacement relay to the board and run little flyleads to the tracks... There really isn't any other way to do it... Only turn the relay around like I did but its not a guaranteed fix, still just seems to be a s**t relay... PART EDIT
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timmytimtim wrote: nalane wrote: Do you know if the relay can be bought as a spare part from Jaycar or DSE? Hi there... No I very much doubt so... It is a very odd relay in terms of the arrangement of the pins on the bottom... I would basically use a dab of hot glue to hold a replacement relay to the board and run little flyleads to the tracks... There really isn't any other way to do it... Only turn the relay around like I did but its not a guaranteed fix, still just seems to be a s**t relay... I would bridge it out but with the number of car thieves these days the more security in it the better so I'm not about to do bridging things out just in case, smartlock isn't a perfect system but it's better than nothing... it doesn't bypass the smartlock. it's only bridging 2 of like 20 wires
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yeah the wires that disconnect the starter and prevent from starting... When the smartlock thingo is blinking that relay is opened preventing the starter solenoid from engaging (by hot wiring or the sort)
PART EDIT As I see it your actually doing the hard part for them... Unless you've got your own fail safe installed? Like a button you have to hold in to start (ie a broken injector pulse or something and once started the relay holds in helping injector pulse)?
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hey guys was wondering if i replace my BCM can i put in a higher model one from say a fairmont? this weekend ill be looking at it and be seeing if i can solder them two wires together that was mentioned before... what are the dwon sides of me just soldering these wires together rather than replacing it?
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i just thought i'd post my HELPFUL tip up. but if noone wants to be use it fine by me
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Actually I do appologise... the ED has separate smartlock module and BEM... Do the EF/EL models have both modules in one?
if so you will find it hard to replace with a high series unit (assuming your and EF driver) as the BEM's on the Ef's have a different amount of plugs/or pins for the class variants (low, mid and high series) plus you'll need the wiring and modules to go around it (Ie the dimmer for the dash works different on a EF/EL high series to a EF/EL mid series (I think, not 100% sure for EF/EL variants?))... But I am fairly sure you would be able to straight swap with a high series... like I said down side is I am nearlly positive you removing the smartlock immobilisation (or part of it?) by doing this... We all know smartlock is far from perfect... So is any mass rolled out immobilisation system installed in cars really... Once you know how to beat one you can steal all cars of that sort the same way... The best system for immobilisation really is something you devise and install that no criminal will be able to work out (something out of the normal that takes more time to diagnose)... If the simple trick they used last time don't work then they aren't likely to spend too much time on it for fear of getting caught...
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WILDEB wrote: i just thought i'd post my HELPFUL tip up. but if noone wants to be use it fine by me no need to be like that... it definitely works... I 100% agree to that... its a simple cheap solution to the problem and guaranteed never to fail again... I was always under the impression your undoing what smartlock does thats all? Although I'm not 100% familiar if the circuit isolates anything else on top of the starter? PART EDIT
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