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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:40 pm 
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due to the lack of intrest this has been put on the shelf.....


I'd change that statement to read something more like, "due to lack of financial interest from customers this has been put on the shelf".....

Which in some ways is a shame, but there is so much to gain from a forced induction setup that I would reckon a stroker OHC engine would be a very small niche market.

Until CMS actually state it's on the shelf, I'll live in hope that I could see the finished result, then that I could afford it lol. No point being dishonest about it, how many Eseries guys could afford it?

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 3:40 pm 
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ToranaGuy wrote:
^JAsE^ wrote:
due to the lack of intrest this has been put on the shelf.....


I'd change that statement to read something more like, "due to lack of financial interest from customers this has been put on the shelf".....

Which in some ways is a shame, but there is so much to gain from a forced induction setup that I would reckon a stroker OHC engine would be a very small niche market.

Until CMS actually state it's on the shelf, I'll live in hope that I could see the finished result, then that I could afford it lol. No point being dishonest about it, how many Eseries guys could afford it?

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If people had the funds and wanted to they could do it themselves.....a lot harder for a workshop to do it when they have to consider profitability of testing and producing.

 

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:27 pm 
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I wont shelf the 4.5ltr as I'm pretty stoked about doing it but yes I agree with your comments as this is the reason why where doing the DOHC conversion there more intrest in this....

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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:32 pm 
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I wont shelf the 4.5ltr as I'm pretty stoked about doing it but yes I agree with your comments as this is the reason why where doing the DOHC conversion there more intrest in this....

joe


Thanks for posting that up Joe, I and I'm sure others will appreciate that.

Dohc conversion, I take it a "kit" to drop a DOHC into the e series?

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
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no worries..........

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Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 10:55 pm 
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What could make it affordable is if all the extra cubes were from only adding stroke and using a piston that falls with in the regular over sizes.

Spool manage to pump stroker cranks for SRs and CAs and RBs
They may be prompted to look into a proper stroker crank and rods for the 4L. At least then it could be sold in kit form and people could build their own. CMS could do a deal with spool and have the 4L stuff branded as CMS and sold through CMS.

It then leaves Joe to go even further with cubes by matching the stroker crank with a big bore conversion

 

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 11:11 pm 
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What could make it affordable is if all the extra cubes were from only adding stroke and using a piston that falls with in the regular over sizes.

Spool manage to pump stroker cranks for SRs and CAs and RBs
They may be prompted to look into a proper stroker crank and rods for the 4L. At least then it could be sold in kit form and people could build their own. CMS could do a deal with spool and have the 4L stuff branded as CMS and sold through CMS.

It then leaves Joe to go even further with cubes by matching the stroker crank with a big bore conversion


Interesting concept, but what's your estimation of the market for this gear?

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:37 am 
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Wow what a long read. Shame to see it didnt work in the end but a lot changes in 4 years. I think its a good move to work on the barra as we all know its potential.

Ill be watching with anticipation to see how you go with this. Keep up the good work :D
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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:09 am 
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I know where your coming from in speaking to someone like spool & the likes but it all comes down to the volume of sales to be expected !!.... unlike the jap market where there looking at increasing cubes as an instant power adder plus theres more or of them & these engines are world wide.....also the funds to continue with this is better well spent elsewhere like buying another dyno which will generate the money instantly & as a onwer you have to make finacial decision where is best suited.
My bussines is growing & we are getting reconized in other areas in the Ford performance industry mainly with the turbo guys & due to this growth is why the dyno is a win win. I love my 4.0lts as we IMO still have the highest hp E series i6 engine going round...with only the std ECU no piggy back or chip, std factory log manifold & one factory t/b @198rwkw on 98oct, I do down the track want to build another 4.0ltr that will crack 220rwkw still on pump fuel with a log & one t/b.... one day

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:09 am 
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ToranaGuy wrote:
tickford_6 wrote:
What could make it affordable is if all the extra cubes were from only adding stroke and using a piston that falls with in the regular over sizes.

Spool manage to pump stroker cranks for SRs and CAs and RBs
They may be prompted to look into a proper stroker crank and rods for the 4L. At least then it could be sold in kit form and people could build their own. CMS could do a deal with spool and have the 4L stuff branded as CMS and sold through CMS.

It then leaves Joe to go even further with cubes by matching the stroker crank with a big bore conversion


Interesting concept, but what's your estimation of the market for this gear?

Cheers

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Thats always going to a be a problem with the 4L, Would be intersting to see if the front of the crank could be machined to accept a collar to make the same basic crank compatible with both the SOHC and DOHC engines. Main journal for pre AU cranks would be an issue, even then it's only extra machining,
that would double the market for the kit.
the initial market will be small, as it a new thing for these engines. But as some get sold and make good power sales will always pick up.

Cubes is everything. there are 4.8 turbo nissan patrols around the world that make our falcons look slow.

 

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 7:59 pm 
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Nice write up there tickford_6, food for thought & Joe, I can understand totally.

Get the new dyno in, generate more business & possibly more interest in your products in development, then work on some of those for more business.

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:52 pm 
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ToranaGuy wrote:
Get the new dyno in, generate more business & possibly more interest in your products in development, then work on some of those for more business.

Cheers

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For sure get the new dyno, After all business is business and we are all in to make money.

 

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 4:29 am 
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All i can say is spewin....

4.5 or 4.8L I6 VCT

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 Post subject: Re: CMS 4.8 ltr i6
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:35 pm 
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Buy a 4.8 litre DOHC patrol motor for your car then.

People can get 300rwkw out them NA. :)
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 1:50 pm 
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It would be like switching over to Holden....maybe even worse :lol:
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