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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:15 pm 
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hey crew
once again
the ed classicfutura wont start

this time i was driving and the alternator belt and power steering belt snapped
so i put new belts on and she kicked into life
but there was a squel and the power steering belt was loose
i checked it and it was tensioned properly
but then checked again to find out the tensioner pulley was seized
so i then removed the power steering belt and started the car with no belt there

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no squeal ran fine jus heavy steering which is only normal

i then drove off and noticed the headlights and lights on the dash were really dim and the battery light was on
put high beam on and the car spluttered and died a little
and the abs light came on and kept going
then went to go up a little hill and i just lost all acceleration power and she died
some guy i didnt even no sat there for about 3 hours trying to help jump start and diagnose the problem
he was in a ba on gas
cheers mate
now she wont start and i cant work out why
alot of people stopped to help but no1 was any the wiseri have checked alot of things but still nothing

we have fuel and spark
its turning over fine
and sometimes kicks over harder like its starting and thenjust goes back to winding again
ive checked fuses everything i can think of

PLEASE HELP SOMEBODY

 

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:02 pm 
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Is your alternator in good shape? If your alternator has died, your car will do that coz ur battery has gone flat and isn't being recharged.

try changing the battery or charging your one up. If it starts, you'll be able to drive it for a few minutes untill your battery runs out of juice.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:06 pm 
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yes i put a new battery in it and it still wont start
its just turning over but not starting
any other ideas

and as for the alternator
it should be fine
but any ideas as to how the tensioner pulley for the power steering would seize?

anything?

 

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:08 pm 
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also is there any way to find out if the alternator is rooted without having to take it out and putting a new 1 in

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:31 pm 
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I think u should aim to get ur car started first. the rest can be fixed later.

Are u sure u have fuel/spark going to the cylinders?

Is ur harmonic balancer ok? - 2 belts snapping at the same time is unusual.

do u run on gas or petrol? maybe a fuel source isn't getting through.

If theres no spark could be coil, distributor cap, or distributor.

what do u mean by winding sound? when u go to start the car, does it sound like how it normally does when u go to start it?

U will need to eliminate each one b4 u have some idea as to why its not starting.

This is what I do (and have done) when my ED didn't want to start either.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:32 pm 
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it the interior light globe or fuse blown. If these are blown it will trip smartlock if you have it and it will not supply the ngine with fuel.

As you have a 89 EA i doubt this is the case, You may have lost compression in the engine. If it carby it may be flooded.

Other than this check ALL wires under the engine bay. In my EA spac there was a large plug which was just the the right at the rear of the engine (if you were standing at the front looking back) that had come loose and was stopping the engine from starting

 

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:13 pm 
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Maybe the tensioner seized, snapping that belt, then that belt flung between the other belt and a pulley it was travelling over, snapping it too. Maybe the jerk on the alternator damaged the alternator, seems unlikely though.

I wonder what damage the snapped belts might have done after they let go. They could have damaged the alternator wiring, stopping it from charging.

I think one main possibility is that the alternator isn't charging. It sounds like you flattened your battery, and that coupled with a non-functional alternator made your car not really a jumpstart option, if you tried that.

 

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:09 pm 
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wk wrote:
I think u should aim to get ur car started first. the rest can be fixed later.

Are u sure u have fuel/spark going to the cylinders?

Is ur harmonic balancer ok? - 2 belts snapping at the same time is unusual.

do u run on gas or petrol? maybe a fuel source isn't getting through.

If theres no spark could be coil, distributor cap, or distributor.

what do u mean by winding sound? when u go to start the car, does it sound like how it normally does when u go to start it?

U will need to eliminate each one b4 u have some idea as to why its not starting.

This is what I do (and have done) when my ED didn't want to start either.

harmonic balancer is fine
runs on just petrol i have checked the fuel lines and pump and its all a1
there is plenty of spark there it all been checked
and when i say winding i mean its kicking over fine just not starting
butas i stated earlier
i put new belts on and she started and was running fine
but squeling due to seized tensioner pulley for the power steering belt
so i took that belt off and started again and it was fine
for so long
then just died
i have put a new battery in and still nothing
all tjhe globes are working so its not interior lights
and just to verify 4 every1
its a 94 ED futura classic auto 6 cylinder with smartlock

and as u say 2 belts snapping i would say that the tensioner pulley seized god no's how but it did and thaty caused the power steering belt to rub down and snap then fly around causing damage to the alternator belt

but is there anyway that i can test my alternator to see if its working without taking it out
but that shouldnt stop it from working should it i woulda thought it just would have stoppped it from holding charge

 

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:38 pm 
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The only way i know to test an alternator is to run it and test for amps, that's not to say it can't be done another way.

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:22 am 
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relaxed_diplomacy wrote:
The only way i know to test an alternator is to run it and test for amps, that's not to say it can't be done another way.


and how exactly would i run it and test it for amps and what sort of figures should i be looking for on it

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 3:33 am 
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the only way i know of to test to see if the alternators working is with a multimeter. With the car off place multimeter on battery and there should be 12 volt, then you start the car and put multimeter on battery again and it should be reading about 14 volt.

Obviously this won't help you as it won't start. If it has a fully charged battery in it the alternator isn't a problem as the car will run for a while before dieing.

The biggest thing to check is to see if its a smartlock or a mechanical problem, When car is turned off the smartlock light should be flashing and when you go to start it should turn off after a second or so. If either of these two are different than what i've said you got a smartlock issue not a mechanical problem unless your really unlucky and have both

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:10 pm 
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ok ill go over it all again
but i wondered if it mighta had something to do with smartlock

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:12 pm 
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u seem to no wat ur talkin about howsie
maybe u should come up with some tools and give me a hand lol

 

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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 2:13 pm 
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Also clean the plugs. If it has been cranked and not started the plugs will be fouled. I had a similar issue with the 5.0 and it turned out to be fouled plugs, a new set and she fired right up
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Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:35 pm 
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havent got the right tools i need atm
does any1 have them that wants to come give me a hand?

hehe

broke as till late next week now so cant do much :(

but ill do wat i can

 

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