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 Post subject: EF series II head gasket has a shim??? WTF???
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:42 pm 
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Hi Guy's

I decided the other day to repalce the head gasket on my EF Falcon. It has 240k on it and was starting to loose coolant into the combustion chamber.

I pulled it apart after much ado and low and behold I thought it had been fitted with 2 gaskets! on closer examination I found that the second gasket was actually a shim of thirty thou or 0.75 mm or thereabouts. It would also see to be a rebuilt engine with 0.03 oversize pistons (30 thou)

The pistons are well within the confines of the deck so I can only presume that the head has been over machined to regain straightness.

My question is, has anyone got the orginginal thickness of a cylinder head so I can tell how much has been shaved off this one? even if I toss this one, I would like to know so I can verify a used replacement as good.

Also do I really nee the shim if this head has had 0.7 mm shaved off it? I know the compression will be higher but will the valve hit the pistons? will the valve timing be radically affected? andwill it ping badly?

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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:15 pm 
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hi , don't know about the thickness of the head but when i got my ed head recod i asked the machinist to shave the head . he said any more than 30thou i'll need to run shim plate on it .
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Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:58 pm 
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Thanks Philbie

Yes, I think I might need a new head, one that is pretty original or not much shaved off hence a desire to know the measurements!
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 Post subject: Re: EF series II head gasket has a shim??? WTF???
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:08 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: EF series II head gasket has a shim??? WTF???
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:04 pm 
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Normally on alloy heads you will see on the edge of the casting a small area that is slightly lower than the surface that you machine. This is normally considered the limit that the head can be milled to. I doubt you will see this on your cly head, but if you look at a head that has minimal machine work done on it you will see what i mean. Hope this helps
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Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:09 am 
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I had this once on an XF reco engine.....I left the shim out...went good, no pinging either.

 

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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:10 am 
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MickEBS wrote:
Normally on alloy heads you will see on the edge of the casting a small area that is slightly lower than the surface that you machine. This is normally considered the limit that the head can be milled to. I doubt you will see this on your cly head, but if you look at a head that has minimal machine work done on it you will see what i mean. Hope this helps


Thanks Mick, I think i know what you mean with regards to a little bit of unmachined area. mine is certainly flush at best. So its at least at the machining limit?

I am very tempted just to through it together with the old shim? maybe i should get a new shim?

Lutz
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Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:12 am 
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cjh wrote:
I had this once on an XF reco engine.....I left the shim out...went good, no pinging either.


Hi CJ,

I am thinking about leaving it out or just reusing it. I guess a ef might be totally more fussy than an xf on compression or maybe the valves hit the piston easier?

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 Post subject: Re: EF series II head gasket has a shim??? WTF???
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:43 am 
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 Post subject: Re: EF series II head gasket has a shim??? WTF???
Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:15 am 
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yes, shims are available for the OHC's in 0.8 and 1.5mm, they are sometimes used when the head has been machined a fair amount, to stop valves hitting pistons and also to stop timing chain noise as the tensioners cannot take up all the slack.

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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:45 pm 
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66 coupe wrote:
yes, shims are available for the OHC's in 0.7 and 1mm, they are sometimes used when the head has been machined a fair amount, to stop valves hitting pistons and also to stop timing chain noise as the tensioners cannot take up all the slack.


OHC? where can I find them?
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:28 pm 
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i have them available, follow link in my profile
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