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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:27 am 
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hey guyZ stupid question im asKing but iv'e got an 96 fairmont n my mate has an 98 el falcon... ive dragged him over 100 times n i lose by car lengths... if this because they go harder dan ef's or is my car hammered ?? :(

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:44 am 
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manual or auto?

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:51 am 
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theblackone wrote:
manual or auto?


both auto
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:45 am 
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I don't know if this really adds anything. But I think on the EL's auto, they were able to have the torque converter lock up much earlier. My sisters locks up at 55kmh.
But I have also noticed that my sisters EL, and my step dads old one used to go a little more effortlessly than my EF.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:45 am 
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A fairmont's going to be slightly heavier than a low end falcon (GLi/Futura).

a 96 engine is probaly in worse condition than a 98 engine.

The 98 EL may be a 'Hybrid' ie. it has an AU head/rocker gear so they rev better than regular EF/ELs.

There's suspension changes in the ELs (esp the rear end).

ELs did get a revised version of the auto box, so maybe it's better too.

Lots of small changes - but officially EF and ELs had teh same performance figures.

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:54 am 
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from the falcon specs website

Performance:
(Falcon GLi sedan, 4 speed auto):
Top speeds in gears
1st: 88km/h
2nd: 145km/h
3rd: 180km/h (speed limited)
4th: 180km/h (speed limited)
0-100km/h: 8.7 seconds
Standing 400m: 16.2 seconds


and the EL for comparison
Performance:
(Falcon Futura 4L sedan, 4 speed auto)
Top speeds in gears
1st: 81km/h
2nd: 133km/h
3rd: 180km/h (speed limited)
4th: 180km/h (speed limited)
0-100km/h: 9.4 seconds
Standing 400m: 17.0 seconds


all info taken from http://www.geocities.com/falconfacts/fa ... alcon.html

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:08 pm 
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EF and ELs should be side buy side in a race providing ones not thrashed and both have same tranny, raced my cousins EL in my EF both stock and we stayed side by side. but those hybrid ELs go good.

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:07 pm 
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haven't seen those figures. Keep in mind a Futura will be heavier than a GLi.

Figures for engine power and torque are the same.

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:24 pm 
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data_mine wrote:
Figures for engine power and torque are the same.


didnt the series 2 EF monts get the XR6 engine though?? so they would have the 164kw instead of the 157kw

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:33 pm 
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Only the Ghias

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:37 pm 
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EF2 Ghias did.

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:48 pm 
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how a***, my car is a 95 ef falcon gli with 275,000kms, and i whooped a 97 el falcon with 160,000... and ive killed a ef futura with headwork. my cars stock as a rock. and has a boot load load put thru it.
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:00 pm 
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data_mine wrote:
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cheers data mine and hornet :)

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:58 pm 
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you will probably find that the EL futura has the 3.23 gear set in the diff rather than the 3.08 which the EF does. Notice that the EF gets higher speeds in each gear? 1st: 88 (EF) VS 82 (EL) so on and so forth. Might account for the higher QM times.

 

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:44 pm 
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EL's have 3.08 diffs too. (XR's and V8's excluded)

It'd all be ECU changes for the different shift points.

 

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