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 Post subject: Fitting AU Mtr in place of EF mtr
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:23 pm 
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Hi All my very first post can anyone please tell me what i need to do to put a AU motor into my EF i ve been told i have to change manifolds and sump is their anything else and and will it bolt up to my EF gearbox i would appreciate any help or advice thanks Alan :!:
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:31 pm 
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hi
to fit the au engine into your ef you use the ef manifold.
the harder part is the sump. you can either cut and re box the front section of the k frame or get the front of the au sump cut and alloy welded..
you can use the ef bellhousing but there are a couple of bolts that dont line up on the bottom of it.
or an au belhousing will bolt onto an ef box..
otherwise the rest is fairly straight forward..
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:39 pm 
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Thanks Troyman so is the AU sump bigger and needs to be cut down cheers Alan
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting AU Mtr in place of EF mtr
Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:40 pm 
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TROYMAN wrote:
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to fit the au engine into your ef you use the ef manifold.
the harder part is the sump. you can either cut and re box the front section of the k frame or get the front of the au sump cut and alloy welded..
you can use the ef bellhousing but there are a couple of bolts that dont line up on the bottom of it.
or an au belhousing will bolt onto an ef box..
otherwise the rest is fairly straight forward..


Will the existing ef engine mounts bolt up the the au block?

if using a au alternator, which drive belt do i run? au or ef.

is the bellhousing, sump, alternator the only things that are different?
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting AU Mtr in place of EF mtr
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:01 am 
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Thanks Troyman so is the AU sump bigger and needs to be cut down cheers Alan

yep it comes about 2" further forward at the lower front..
the ef is angled at the front but the au is square..
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting AU Mtr in place of EF mtr
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:12 am 
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TROYMAN wrote:
hi
to fit the au engine into your ef you use the ef manifold.
the harder part is the sump. you can either cut and re box the front section of the k frame or get the front of the au sump cut and alloy welded..
you can use the ef bellhousing but there are a couple of bolts that dont line up on the bottom of it.
or an au belhousing will bolt onto an ef box..
otherwise the rest is fairly straight forward..


Will the existing ef engine mounts bolt up the the au block?

if using a au alternator, which drive belt do i run? au or ef.

is the bellhousing, sump, alternator the only things that are different?


yep!
you can use the ef engine mounts they are a direct fit.
the ef aircon pump fits aswell, the bolts line up its just a matter of cutting about 6mm of the lower spacers..
as for the belt.. i used a modified ef alt and aircon pump on my first conversion and i used an ef belt..
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:40 am 
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Ive chatted to 2 people who have done this conversion but 1 was a EL and both had pinging problems when run on petrol for some reason, any ideas why guys???

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:26 pm 
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didnt ask if they were running premium unleaded so maybe that will fix the problem or for a EF to get a chip from TI with LPG ignition maps????

Funny this is both ran ok on LPG

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:23 pm 
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Have just started pulling my AU engine apart for this transplant myself. I have read Troyman's suggestions and xr_lane thread and they have some great suggestions and ideas. I bought the AU bellhousing with my engine for an extra $30 so that will save some stuffing around. The above installs cover most things. I run lpg most of the time so the AU Intech's higher compression ratio will suit the lpg's higher octane. Pinging is possible on standard unleaded but I would have expected the knock sensor to keep it to a minimum. I have decided to cut my sump as I have a mate who welds alloy. I still haven't decided what to do with the cam angle sensor. The cmp on both cars are different but the principle is the same. The EF uses a 3 wire sensor which produces a 12V square wave and the AU is a 2 wire unit that is Hall effect and produces a pulse. I could just fit the EF cmp sensor to the AU engine (into the old dizzy hole) but I'd like to see if it's possible to manufacture a circuit to use the AU's Hall effect pulse and convert it to a 12v square wave. I'm not sure if it's worth the effort but I'll do some tinkering and see what I come up with.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Fitting AU Mtr in place of EF mtr
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:57 pm 
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Now i am confused i thought you had just to change inlet manifold and sort the sump ot now theirs a sensor as well? can some one let me know what is needed to change theirs the sump weld or cut the k frame change the inlet manifold and the alternator is this all that needs to be changed or is their now a sensor? thanks :cry:
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting AU Mtr in place of EF mtr
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:09 pm 
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Now i am confused i thought you had just to change inlet manifold and sort the sump ot now theirs a sensor as well? can some one let me know what is needed to change theirs the sump weld or cut the k frame change the inlet manifold and the alternator is this all that needs to be changed or is their now a sensor? thanks :cry:


as in sensors??
you keep the ef manifold this way you use your ef ait sensor.
use the ef water neck with the ef coolant sensor.
everything else like the crank and cam sensors you just put the ones from your ef engine onto the au engine and you use the au knock sensor..(this is the only sensor you need to cut and join the wires)
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 Post subject: Re: Fitting AU Mtr in place of EF mtr
Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:20 pm 
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You also need to install the synchronizer 180 deg, as the locking lever hole is on the other side. either way, it still sits TDC its just the plug that sits 180

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:27 pm 
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now i am even more confused i thought i was going to be changing the inlet manifold the sump cut or weld and alternator now i change the sensors from the ef over to the Au and
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You also need to install the synchronizer 180 deg, as the locking lever hole is on the other side. either way, it still sits TDC its just the plug that sits 180You also need to install the synchronizer 180 deg, as the locking lever hole is on the other side. either way, it still sits TDC its just the plug that sits 180
what the synchronizer and if i can be rude this is a first for me so could you explain all changes including all sensors and where they are so me a (dummy can do it myself) thanks Guys and Troyman thanks for your help also
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:32 pm 
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synchroniser is the EF dizzy, its a cam angle sensor. tells the ecu when its on a compression stroke.

 

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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:35 pm 
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the cam angle sensor is also known as the synchronizer in ef..

the crank angle sensor is on the front of the timing case just above the crank pulley.
the synchroniser is on the intake manifold side of the engine..
if you have seen an eb engine? this goes where the distributor goes on eb..
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