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Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:03 pm 
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3.9-litre, SOHC, in-line six, multi-point fuel injection, 8.8:1 compression ratio, 139kW@4250rpm, 388Nm@3000rpm.(DIN)

Transmission

T5 5-speed manual, all synchro.
Ratios: 1st 3.50:1- 2nd 2.14:1 - 3rd 1.39:1 - 4th 1.00:1 - 5th 0.78:1
Reverse 3.39:1
BTR 95LE 4-speed automatic, T-Bar shift.
Ratios 1st 2.39:1 - 2nd 1.45:1 - 3rd 1.00:1 - 4th 0.69:1
Reverse 2.09:1
Rear axle: 2.92:1 (manual) 3.23:1 (auto).

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Front: Independent, upper and lower wishbones, stiffer coil spring/upgraded gas strut-type dampers and upgraded anti-roll bar. Ride height lowered by 15 mm.
Rear: Live axle, upper and lower longitudinal arms, transverse Watts linkage, stiffer coil springs, upgraded gas dampers and anti-roll bar. Ride height lowered by 15 mm.

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Front 287mm ventilated discs, rear 287mm discs, servo assisted.

Wheels

7JJ X 15" alloy wheels, P205/65HR15 Pirelli steel-belted radials

Performance

0-100 km/h - 8.0 seconds; Standing 400m - 15.8 seconds

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:50 am 
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personally i have never lost a street race with any 3.8 commonwhore of any model VN-VZ, my mate had an ecotec VS with a toyota supercharger and other mods and still had a car length on him over the 400m. i think i have raced about 25 different 3.8 commonwhores on the street within the last 18 months and they got all got put down by the mighty 4L.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:53 am 
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well that prooves it. there nothing like a falcon

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:42 am 
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Yeep. My fat, boat-like-handling Fairmont has plenty of go when I want it.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:26 pm 
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huggiebear wrote:
the alted stage 3 cam out powered the dev 5..

Where did you get this information from? I'm yet to see any dyno printouts for a RPD stage 3 cam making more than 170rwkw.

huggiebear wrote:
jmm producs a stage 5 kit (turbo i think) and it produces massive power (dev 5 cam) i wonder how much etra we could get with the alted stage 3 cam ;)


The Dev 5 is very NA, no turbo.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:15 pm 
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hornet wrote:
huggiebear wrote:
the alted stage 3 cam out powered the dev 5..

Where did you get this information from? I'm yet to see any dyno printouts for a RPD stage 3 cam making more than 170rwkw.

huggiebear wrote:
jmm producs a stage 5 kit (turbo i think) and it produces massive power (dev 5 cam) i wonder how much etra we could get with the alted stage 3 cam ;)


The Dev 5 is very NA, no turbo.


I'd like to know where that info came from too.

I too have yet to see a dyno print out of a stage 3. Would LOVE to see one though.
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:24 pm 
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I'd rather see a quarter mile time.
dyno = no bragging rights IMHO.
Not mentioning any names, *cough*really I'm not*cough*, but some workshops with dynos don't have the best reputation for repeatable dyno results.
It's a bit harder to fudge a quarter mile time.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:31 pm 
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Steady ED wrote:
I'd rather see a quarter mile time.
dyno = no bragging rights IMHO.
Not mentioning any names, *cough*really I'm not*cough*, but some workshops with dynos don't have the best reputation for repeatable dyno results.
It's a bit harder to fudge a quarter mile time.


Fair call.

*cough* JMM *cough*

Has anyone ran their stage 3 equipped Falc down the quarter?
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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:32 pm 
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when i said the dev 5 i ment the "quickest eb falcon in aus" its in the performance ford magazine. i have been told by the creators of the alted stage 3 cam that it out powers/runs the dev 5. im only going off what i have been told

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:42 pm 
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huggiebear wrote:
when i said the dev 5 i ment the "quickest eb falcon in aus" its in the performance ford magazine. i have been told by the creators of the alted stage 3 cam that it out powers/runs the dev 5. im only going off what i have been told

I don't think Jaysen has ever said or would say anything like that without proof mate.
He doesn't seem like the 'piss in your pocket type'
I'd love to see a Stage 3 do the quarter, but I also wouldn't expect a mid 13 like the JMM car unless the Stage 3 car was also stripped, running a bizarre interception chip that there is no info on anywhere, and suspension set-up for the strip.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:48 pm 
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it wasnt jaysen. but ill leave it at that. i said it here and if im wrong i stand corrected

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:56 pm 
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Be very careful who you attribute quotes to.
And I'll leave it at that.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:12 pm 
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gotta say, my second car was a VT S pack, with five speed, exhaust and LSD, it pulled pretty hard, i thought it was a pretty fit example, and i test drove the VZ 190kw 6spd. just after it came out, i was very dissapointed, just didn't feel like it had an extra 40kw over my VT

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:15 pm 
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DC_Todd said in his initial write up on the cam that a mate said it pulls as hard as a Dev 5. Seat of the pants isn't accurate at all. I was sure my car was going well post cam, but the dyno told me I had lost 2kw, (which was tracked down to a blocked fuel filter).

I could tell you that my stage 3 cam'ed car goes as hard as my mates GTR skyline.. without figures it means nothing. I dont have a 1/4 strip around here.. but plan to put mine down the 1/8th at the end of the month.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:31 pm 
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senna*xrt wrote:
gotta say, my second car was a VT S pack, with five speed, exhaust and LSD, it pulled pretty hard, i thought it was a pretty fit example, and i test drove the VZ 190kw 6spd. just after it came out, i was very dissapointed, just didn't feel like it had an extra 40kw over my VT


That's a good call.

My old man used to have a VX cop pack (now has an XR6 T) which would have to be the best Commodore I've driven (which includes a manual VS Clubsport). That thing felt as quick, if not QUICKER than the two "175kw" VZ's I've driven.

I know I probably don't have much cred being a Ford man, but:

BA 4.0 litre N/A = very impressed, exceeded my expectations in terms of performance. Thought she would be a little more refined...

VZ 3.6 litre = disappointed in it's performance and handling (handling is borderline dangerous in my humble opinion)
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