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 Post subject: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:38 pm 
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Hey all...

Not real sure if this would make any difference at all... So just after some feedback off someone who has more of an idea than me...

Looking (in the distant future) to turbo my car, already got the intercooler sorted... So for the time being would it be worth going to the trouble intercooling my NA? Of it doesn't achieve very much?

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 9:58 pm 
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Will do nothing..... you will be laughed at for doing this.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:01 pm 
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thought so... no harm in asking though... :) thanks

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:05 pm 
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It wont help with cooling on an N/A Car but if your going to turbo it soon after then why not?

Just dont hook it up

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:09 pm 
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67RCE wrote:
Will do nothing.....


That is untrue. It will not do nothing. It will have a negative effect on the vehicles performance, as your carrying more weight, you have a longer air intake reducing throttle response, and all the extra curves and the intercooler will reduce the air flow.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:10 pm 
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Got house renos happening at present... It will (hopefully) happen one day... probably wont be soon until these reno's are finished and I recover a bit from the money spending... My limit at present is sort of about $200 per mod so doinf small things don't have 3k for a snort stage 2 yet...

I've seen people on here doing "cold air intakes" for the i6 and I was wondering if straight out intercooling would more than achieve these small kw gains these people are doing with their fancy airbox set ups...

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:36 pm 
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timmytimtim wrote:
I've seen people on here doing "cold air intakes" for the i6 and I was wondering if straight out intercooling would more than achieve these small kw gains these people are doing with their fancy airbox set ups...



No mater what you do an air cooled intercooler can not get intake temps below ambient temp.

the intercooler just be a huge restriction.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:49 pm 
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ahhhh... that makes sense... yeah I see why now...

The only way it make difference to be able to cool the air to bellow ambient, which an intercooler wont do... Would be more achievable with an ice box or something of that nature...

makes heaps of sense now... helps with a turbo coz it brings the high temperatures (as turbos bolted to exhaust manifolds get hot) back to ambient...

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:26 pm 
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timmytimtim wrote:
(as turbos bolted to exhaust manifolds get hot) back to ambient...

Thanks,
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Heat soak has the least impact on compressor outlet temps.

outlet temp is high because you are compressing the air. Heat and Temperature are not the same.

what you are doing is cramming the the heat into a smaller space, that raises the temp.
I used to have good link that explained it very well. but i'll try.

lets say you have to containers of air, one is twice the size of the other. they are both the same temperature.
The larger has more heat in it, because to bring twice the amount of air to same temp requires more heat.

You now compress the larger one down to the same size as the smaller one.
the amount of heat stays the same, but the temp rises. More heat in a given space mean higher temp.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:35 pm 
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yeah when you compress gases they get hot...

When you evacuate gases the containers chill...

Notice this when we gas circuit breakers at work...

 

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 Post subject: Re: Intercooled N/A ED Falcon
Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:37 pm 
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timmytimtim wrote:
yeah when you compress gases they get hot...

When you evacuate gases the containers chill...

Notice this when we gas circuit breakers at work...



the container will only chill if it has had time to cool after having the gas compressed in.

 

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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:20 am 
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It's the same way an air conditioner or heat pump works
When the gas gets compressed in the heatpump it heats up. Then heats your water
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