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 Post subject: Major Engine Problem - Dizzy Gear - What to do?
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:18 am 
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I've just had a phone call... of the worst kind...

My dizzy died... The third one in ... less than 24 mths...

Car had being running s**t house up till then...
Timing was constantly falling out...

Long story short, I now have to rip out the engine and have the steel gear (engine side) replaced or...... What?

Dump an AU engine in? Stick in a beefy V8 just for fun... Too bad petty is so expensive.......


Ideas, questions, comments??

$1,300 estimate cost for ripping out the engine and fixing the gear.
I can almost buy and fit a new AU engine for that yeh?

~Chris


If your interested the longer story:
Turns out the dizzy gear on the inside of the engine is F'd.
Its been stripped slowly through wear & tear... Which probably originated before I even bought the car 36mths ago... Starting with a bad dizzy install sometime in the cars past that chipped a tooth on the gear... And has slowly been slipping / stripping away the gear engine side whilst also killing the gears on my dizzys.

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:39 am 
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Generally metal filings and bits of broken timing chain guide in your sump oil will do this. oil pump should probably require replacing aswell.

I would probably just go an AU engine block with the modified sump. There is a slot on the block where you can install the dizzy so EL ECU wiring all ok. (no need to install coil packs)

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:42 am 
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hmm... well i know there is a pin from my last dizzy sitting in the sump somewhere... so guarantee there is bits of metal shaved off the dizzy gears in there too...

not good... not good...

I'll have to give Joe from Cresent Motors a call later today.
See what he can do for me......

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:46 am 
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Damn, bad luck to that :?

By the way what symptoms did you have? was the engine giving flat spots between certain revs?

I want to make sure my dizzy isn't gone, because my car isn't running healthy as it used to :?

phong =P~

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:56 am 
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Symptoms:

- Problems on cold start. Always needed to give it some gas to get it going.
- Timing would constantly drop out and performance die over a few days after been corrected.
- Flat spots... well as the timing goes the flat spots get more and more noticeable until the whole thing is flat...
- Chewed through 2 distributors .. this would be the third replacement
- Major carboning up of sparkies, throttle body due to timing constantly being out.

Its a very very unlikely situation to be in.
And basically unheard of...

Its just some d***head has installed a dizzy with the gear keyed wrong and everything just went downhill from then.... Unfortunately for me... This appears to have been before I even owned the car. :(


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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:09 pm 
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mine stripped the gear in a similar manner to yours (except mine was a cheap crappy tight dizzy that did it)

replacement can be done in the car, timing cover has to come off, and the sump has to be dropped, its simply NOT a $1300 job, takes about 4 hours to do

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:18 pm 
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this is interesting... and makes more sense... thanks.

again.... why I need to talk to Joe rather than the current guy that the car is sitting with courtesy of NRMA. heh.

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:23 pm 
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cawer wrote:
Symptoms:

- Problems on cold start. Always needed to give it some gas to get it going.
- Timing would constantly drop out and performance die over a few days after been corrected.
- Flat spots... well as the timing goes the flat spots get more and more noticeable until the whole thing is flat...
- Chewed through 2 distributors .. this would be the third replacement
- Major carboning up of sparkies, throttle body due to timing constantly being out.

Its a very very unlikely situation to be in.
And basically unheard of...

Its just some d***head has installed a dizzy with the gear keyed wrong and everything just went downhill from then.... Unfortunately for me... This appears to have been before I even owned the car. :(


Regards,
Chris.


Hmmm thanks for that Chris. I guess I can rule out a few things.

My cold starts are fine...actually it runs bloody great with a cold engine. It's when the whole car warms up and the car starts to have flat spots and sometimes the engine hesitates and shutters only to pick up uand be normal again.

Thanks again and I'll let the thread be back on topic...

phong =P~

 

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