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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:27 pm 
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OOOOOOOOOHHHHH MY GOOOOOOODNESS!!!!

MANUFACTURING STARTS IN A FEW WEEKS!!!!!!!

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:29 pm 
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

FINALLY.....MY BIKE WILL IDLE :P

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

 

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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:54 pm 
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mate your off your head. I have a suspicion your promoting this product here.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:03 am 
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s**t!......that reminds me.....i gotta buy some shares

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:05 am 
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mate your off your head. I have a suspicion your promoting this product here.
just slightly... :lol:

i have my suspicions.. but will keenly await for this product to be tested on our falcons to prove once and for all.. too much THEORY so far and not enough PRACTICAL.... May us all hopefully eat pudding but until then.. i will await the results..
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:11 am 
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mate your off your head. I have a suspicion your promoting this product here.



Haha......what u said doesnt make sense

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:11 am 
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This thread has been a good read.

Scary what some people believe.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:18 am 
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Let me help

Yes, fuel will burn well at 14.7:1, but not under heavy acceleration, that is much too lean,, between 12 and 13 is better, and even lower for a turbo.

14.7 is acheived when cruising (Lean Burn).

THe idea of more burn with plugs is not a new one, goes back to capacitor discharge ignition in the early sixties. Whether these plugs can handle / produce a big spark without any side effects (preignition) is the question.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:32 am 
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"Let me help

Yes, fuel will burn well at 14.7:1, but not under heavy acceleration, that is much too lean,, between 12 and 13 is better, and even lower for a turbo.

14.7 is acheived when cruising (Lean Burn)."


Thanks for the info, genius............i think everyone knows the basics. :lol:

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:40 am 
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efmarek wrote:
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Yes, fuel will burn well at 14.7:1, but not under heavy acceleration, that is much too lean,, between 12 and 13 is better, and even lower for a turbo.

14.7 is acheived when cruising (Lean Burn)."


Thanks for the info, genius............i think everyone knows the basics. :lol:
not every ones a "genius einstein" like you.. :lol: :wink: we all have to start somewhere.. and a modifications/help site isnt a bad place to start learning..
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:03 am 
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feebs wrote:
Let me help

Yes, fuel will burn well at 14.7:1, but not under heavy acceleration, that is much too lean,, between 12 and 13 is better, and even lower for a turbo.

14.7 is acheived when cruising (Lean Burn).

you got the required numbers correct, but you dont quite understand why we use rich mixtures under accel....

why will fuel not burn well at 14.7:1 under heavy accel?? ill give you a hint, it does infact burn well, SUPER WELL actually, that good that it becomes an explosive mixture when you have a dense (high cylinder pressure) mixture at that ratio...

as for who said that lean mixtures will melt pistons/valves because lean mixtures burn hotter, the reason parts get hotter with a lean mixture isnt to do with the gas temp, its because the mixture burns so much slower that it exposes all of the parts to the heat for longer

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:09 am 
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14.7 isn't lean under acceleration, its perfect ratio but burns too hot for the engine, so the computer makes the mixture richer and keep temps down.

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:18 am 
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feebs wrote:
Let me help

Yes, fuel will burn well at 14.7:1, but not under heavy acceleration, that is much too lean,, between 12 and 13 is better, and even lower for a turbo.

14.7 is acheived when cruising (Lean Burn).

you got the required numbers correct, but you dont quite understand why we use rich mixtures under accel....

why will fuel not burn well at 14.7:1 under heavy accel?? ill give you a hint, it does infact burn well, SUPER WELL actually, that good that it becomes an explosive mixture when you have a dense (high cylinder pressure) mixture at that ratio...

as for who said that lean mixtures will melt pistons/valves because lean mixtures burn hotter, the reason parts get hotter with a lean mixture isnt to do with the gas temp, its because the mixture burns so much slower that it exposes all of the parts to the heat for longer



Good one!

We got another guy who doesnt know what he's talking 'bout. :roll:

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:51 am 
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feebs wrote:
Let me help

Yes, fuel will burn well at 14.7:1, but not under heavy acceleration, that is much too lean,, between 12 and 13 is better, and even lower for a turbo.

14.7 is acheived when cruising (Lean Burn).

THe idea of more burn with plugs is not a new one, goes back to capacitor discharge ignition in the early sixties. Whether these plugs can handle / produce a big spark without any side effects (preignition) is the question.


would 12 - 13 work better under heavy acceleration cause there is more unburnt petrol going through? I'm just not too sure about that (no sarcasm here...genuine question).

if it is...then according to the firestorm plugs, IF it is all true and burns close to 100% of the fuel, that would mean, even at heavy acceleration 14ish : 1 would still be a good ratio no?

I believe in the chemistry, thanks to some enlightenment on the ratio...i believe 40:1 is bull crap, but still would think burning 100% of the fuel would be better then burning a % of it under heavy acceleration with a 14.7:1 AFR.

smiley...i believe efmarek may even be the dude who is inventing it :shock:

phong =P~

 

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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:50 am 
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Ummm did you guy's read the story or listen to the video properly?
They dont claim to be able to run a air to fuel ratio of 40:1, the only 40 odd they talk about is the 44 to 50% increase of fuel economy.
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It allows you to take an internal combustion engine from the standard 14.7:1 air-to-fuel ratio to an incredibly lean 24:1. At this ratio

Now I know fuel's are more refined these days, but back when I was growing up and learning about building high porformance race engines from my old man,
We'd use what was known back then as a cold plug (they had more ceramic around the centre electroide) for best performance,
In a older more worn enigine we'd use a hotter plug (more of the electroide exposed) this would burn any oil residue quicker.
So since these plugs run at a hotter rate they should be good for all those old bangers getting around by burning more of the oil residue.
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