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 Post subject: Next performance Mod
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:02 pm 
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I have a 1993 EB II and the only performance mods that have been done to it are a 2.5inch sports exhaust and a set of used Wildcat Extractors, the only down side is i am not sure if the exhuast has a high flow cat and the Extractors are press bent. I assume this should still be enough flow for a better cam but i will take suggestions of what steps i should take next. I run my car on duel fuel and i like to tune it and run it on gas because it is cheaper. How much more petrol would a bigger cam use, should this be the next mod ?

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated !

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:01 pm 
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I'll assume you haven't got $$$ to throw around so I'll suggest some 'not too expensive' mods.

You could look at either boxing in a pod filter or switching over to a K&N filter. Also try adding an XH snorkel to get a bit more air into the box.

I'm not sure whether dual fuel restricts what cams you can use. But on petrol, if you have an auto then go for a reground Wade 1636. With a manual, you could use a Wade 1673. Reground cams will cost less than billet cams but require shims. Fuel economy will be about the same when the engine is tuned properly (ie. best done on dyno).

Have you read through the posts in the Wade Cams section? Perhaps send them a PM and ask what profiles they suggest for dual fuel.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:04 pm 
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shorter diff gears + LSD

but it wont be cheap
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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:22 pm 
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I was thinking about getting a bigger snorkel and fitting a pod filter but i wasnt too sure if that would give me much of a power increase ! Also with a cam like the 1636 would i need to upgrade the lifters or anything like that ?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:25 pm 
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I was thinking about getting a bigger snorkel and fitting a pod filter but i wasnt too sure if that would give me much of a power increase ! Also with a cam like the 1636 would i need to upgrade the lifters or anything like that ?


More research needed, use the search function.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:43 pm 
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Not everyone likes him, but have you had a read over Jim Mock's website? He goes through all the different engine mods for the Ford I6. Lots of useful information.

Increasing the airflow into the engine will make engine mods (eg cam, extractors, head work) more effective. Imagine a long distance runner trying to do marathon breathing through a straw. You don't need to upgrade the lifters or springs unless you plan to redline the engine frequently.

As krisisdog was alluding to, if you do a search you'll find this question has been answered many times in the past. The quickest way is to use Google and select fordmods.com in the 'site or domain name'.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:42 pm 
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Or just look at the sticky at the top...then select whatever mod you should do next and search that; I guarantee you there must be thousands of threads relating to aftermarket cams and what is needed.

My 2c; do diff gears or cam next.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:21 pm 
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Pod filters = pure waste of time! There is absolutely no restriction in the stock filter whatsoever!

The cat is the same, high flow cats= s**t! Unless your running an absolute f**k bucket of power (like 300rwkw's+) or your old one is f**k, if its f**k, replace it with a good secondhand stock one dont waste your money.

http://www.fordmods.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=78685

Its all there, you want power and to run on gas? - Get a regrind gas cam from wade cams, i dont know how much power you would gain, but as its suited to run lpg you would see a small increase.

Cut a few decent holes in the bottom of your airbox, i did this with a spare airbox i had a while ago, the right foot was alot more responsive and alot nicer to drive.

I've done all the above

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:48 pm 
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http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2232/article.html

This is proof that pod filters cannot possibly offer an ounce of performance, at best, your lucky not to lose any :)

I liked the intake noise i had when i had one fitted to my fagna years ago

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 6:48 pm 
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put an AU head gasket on to increase compression and get a slight power increase, it has almost the same effect as getting it faced, also cheaper.
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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 7:38 pm 
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put an AU head gasket on to increase compression and get a slight power increase, it has almost the same effect as getting it faced, also cheaper.


What? Just adding an AU gasket for the f**k of it is stupid.
Gasket + bolts = ~$150.
Getting the head decked $80-120, which you'll want to do when the heads off anyway.
The power increase you get from the AU gasket is not worth doing unless you've got a blown headgasket.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 8:33 pm 
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http://www.autospeed.com/cms/A_2232/article.html

This is proof that pod filters cannot possibly offer an ounce of performance, at best, your lucky not to lose any :)

I liked the intake noise i had when i had one fitted to my fagna years ago


That article doesnt say anything about a pod filter!
Pod filters work alot better than standard panels.
What kind've testing have you done on this?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
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actually it does.
peaandham said something about one in hid second or third post lol
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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:34 pm 
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Pod filters work alot better than standard panels.


Only if your a p plater....
The factory air box will in fact give lower intake air temps over any pod under the bonnet.
High Intake air temp will counteract any performance gained by any increase in air flow, if you were to gain any, by using a pod.
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 Post subject: Re: Next performance Mod
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:41 pm 
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Pod filters work alot better than standard panels.


Only if your a p plater....
The factory air box will in fact give lower intake air temps over any pod under the bonnet.
High Intake air temp will counteract any performance gained by any increase in air flow, if you were to gain any, by using a pod.


So what was the difference in results you found with using a standard airbox vs a pod powerwise?

 

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