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 Post subject: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:44 am 
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I was wondering what people have done for this? I've been told that 3inch pipe from throttle body to air box is the least restrictive and I've got a quote from a guy in Perth who said he can do a pipe set up for $130 including silicone & clamps, with high polish S/S with lobster-back bends. Is that price okay? And is there any other types of set ups that are less restrictive. Also does anyone know of places in Perth to do these?

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:58 am 
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I'm looking for something simple like download/file.php?id=22777 and http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i42 ... akepic.jpg

 

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:02 am 
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How about something like this?

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This is what i run these days and i only just re-did it so that it is nice and sealed with a 9" K&N Extreme Pod.

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:58 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:49 am 
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stainless steel absorbs heat. aluminum will be better as it does not conduct heat. but for the best cheapest thing, ring up a wrecker and get a ford territory intake pipe (make sure you also ask for the mounting bolts!!!!!!!!!!), shaped like the B series falcon one, but without the dimples. only problem is it sits a little higher and will rub on the sound deadening stuff.
its cheaper, plastic (less heat absorbed then metal), looks stock and works

 

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:58 am 
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Silly question but whats wrong with the original piping ?.
I cant see any performance gains from it. Is at more just for looks ?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:59 am 
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winman wrote:
stainless steel absorbs heat. aluminum will be better as it does not conduct heat.


thats rubbish mate, aluminium is a VERY GOOD conductor of heat.

This is the reason why heat exchangers are made from aluminium (radiators, intercoolers, refrigeration coils, heat sinks, etc)

personally i would choose stainless over alloy in an engine bay, mainly because it retains its polished look, and is harder to damage.

Alloy dulls over time, and gets scratches even from just wiping it down....

winman wrote:
but for the best cheapest thing, ring up a wrecker and get a ford territory intake pipe (make sure you also ask for the mounting bolts!!!!!!!!!!), shaped like the B series falcon one, but without the dimples. only problem is it sits a little higher and will rub on the sound deadening stuff.

this is a silly idea, why change a stock part that works fine, for another stock part that gives you no gains and damages the bonnet lining at the same time???

 

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:11 am 
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FAST-XR wrote:
winman wrote:
stainless steel absorbs heat. aluminum will be better as it does not conduct heat.


thats rubbish mate, aluminium is a VERY GOOD conductor of heat.

This is the reason why heat exchangers are made from aluminium (radiators, intercoolers, refrigeration coils, heat sinks, etc)


Was thinking the same thing...aluminium/copper have good thermal conductivity for heat exchanging.

Stainless steel has a low thermal conductivity, good for insulation. It might heat quicker but it won't hold it longer nor as much as aluminium/copper.

Also if you plan on getting stainless steel intake and worry about heat issues...get it ceramic coated (if possible on stainless steel...not sure on that).

 

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:20 am 
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phongus wrote:
Stainless steel has a low thermal conductivity, good for insulation. It might heat quicker but it won't hold it longer nor as much as aluminium/copper.


Alloy will absorb heat quicker, but also cool down alot quicker... it works both ways....

stainless steel is a metal. metals are conductors and not insulaters of heat.

 

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:15 pm 
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phongus wrote:
Stainless steel has a low thermal conductivity, good for insulation. It might heat quicker but it won't hold it longer nor as much as aluminium/copper.


Alloy will absorb heat quicker, but also cool down alot quicker... it works both ways....

stainless steel is a metal. metals are conductors and not insulaters of heat.


Sorry don't know how I came up to that conclusion...I was thinking along the lines of thermal conductivity, whereby Stainless steel has a much much lower value than copper/aluminium. Maybe I'm getting confused with heat transfer...oh never mind.

Thank you for your correction :)

 

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:38 pm 
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winman wrote:
but for the best cheapest thing, ring up a wrecker and get a ford territory intake pipe (make sure you also ask for the mounting bolts!!!!!!!!!!), shaped like the B series falcon one, but without the dimples. only problem is it sits a little higher and will rub on the sound deadening stuff.

fast xr wrote:
this is a silly idea, why change a stock part that works fine, for another stock part that gives you no gains and damages the bonnet lining at the same time???


look underneath the intake pipe on a xr6/xt it has large dimples where it sits over the intake manifold. the ford territory pipe does not have this, its pretty much the same diameter the whole way. the gain is little but it is still their, im not the first and certainly wont be the last to change over the the territory intake pipe.

as for aluminum vs steel. steel holds heat aluminum doesn't. still don't believe me? turn your oven on, put down a sheet of aluminum and a sheet of steel. wait 30 mins get a infrared thermometer and hit both, or touch them, aluminum will be warm, steel will be hot and burn you.
you asked why is aluminum used for radiators simple, if it doesn't hold heat and it dispels heat then it is a better material to use. no point using a product that's going to stay hot for a cooling purpose.
for performance perspective aluminum will be a better material then S/steel, however s/steel looks better and last longer

 

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:02 pm 
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winman wrote:
therefore steel is a good conductor of heat while aluminum isn't.
please stop talking about things you dont understand, your confusing people on this forum with your dribble...

 

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:17 pm 
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for intake material Aluminum > Steel

 

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 Post subject: Re: Pipe from TB to Air Box
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:13 pm 
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Can I add, I used mild steel, and i drove home from the coast one day at a little bit of a quick pace. anyways, I pretty much craked the bonnet cause I wanted to give the filters a clean, and check oils etc. TB piping was barely warm, after an hour and a half of solid driving.

 

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:21 am 
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but for the best cheapest thing, ring up a wrecker and get a ford territory intake pipe (make sure you also ask for the mounting bolts!!!!!!!!!!), shaped like the B series falcon one, but without the dimples. only problem is it sits a little higher and will rub on the sound deadening stuff.

fast xr wrote:
this is a silly idea, why change a stock part that works fine, for another stock part that gives you no gains and damages the bonnet lining at the same time???


look underneath the intake pipe on a xr6/xt it has large dimples where it sits over the intake manifold. the ford territory pipe does not have this, its pretty much the same diameter the whole way. the gain is little but it is still their, im not the first and certainly wont be the last to change over the the territory intake pipe.

Spot on winman ...fasty has no clue and sounds like a blowhard in an N/A forum because he has a turbo lol... small mans syndrome i guess :roll:

 

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