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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:58 pm 
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downingj wrote:
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RPD stg III monter F!@cker cam.. its a big bastard that will shake you silly with 500Nm torque.

thats got some serious twist in it..

PM Jaysen.

But if you want wade, sorry can't guide you on that one mate.


500 of Sir Issac's finest?

Are we able to back this up? :wink:




as said by hornet

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Well I've got some info about where and when the power comes on with this cam, the car was on the dyno to workout what was going on with my AFR's. Still running a bit lean, but a new fuel filter helped.
Peak torque was at 3300rpm almost nudging 500mn.

Peak power is 4750rpm, but the car is starting to lean out then, so more to come


in the stage 3 for anyone game enough thread :P
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/viewtopi ... c&start=20

he may have a printout if you ask him?



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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 2:59 pm 
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I would think the first thing that anyone with a cam should do is put it on a dyno, not for bragging rights but to see what the AFR is doing. I know if I was trying to sell them it would be the 1st thing I would do as well. With pretty much all other cams you can find this stuff out (if only because they have been around for long enough for people to do it).

And I havent said anything about wade cams. Im interested in the individual cam profiles not the companies that grind them. I just find it somewhat amusing the number of people who recommend the cam but as yet I havent seen any track times or dyno graphs which are pretty much the only way we have to quantitatively compare them. Im not saying it’s a bad cam or your misrepresenting it, just that I wouldn’t buy a cam based on someone’s description of how it drives because everyone has different ideas about what ‘fast’ means.

On the other hand, if you know the cam pulls a 14.X down the quarter and can compare the shape of the dyno against other grinds you can get a good idea about how it suits your needs. Again, not bagging the cam – but common guys get down to the track and lets see what it can do.


Well said! and it's something I've been trying to get across for a long time.

You always here about how good these cams are, but where's the proof?

I'm sure these guys are good blokes and from what I've heard, they are great to deal with.

Everyone is quite happy bag the piss out of JMM, but at least they are backing their kits up with proof...
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:01 pm 
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And there is so much support for these cams because people that buy them, KNOW they work, like me...

And JMM, don't start this again lol.. they are backed up by JMM-kwatts.

There will be proof, but let us get our s**t together lol... the stage3 has been through several stages of testing, and so forth... really only commercially running recently..

Dyno day you will see plenty of dyno read outs.

And the following wednesday, you will get track times.


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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:23 pm 
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And there is so much support for these cams because people that buy them, KNOW they work, like me...

And JMM, don't start this again lol.. they are backed up by JMM-kwatts.

There will be proof, but let us get our s**t together lol... the stage3 has been through several stages of testing, and so forth... really only commercially running recently..

Dyno day you will see plenty of dyno read outs.

And the following wednesday, you will get track times.


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Here is my dyno printout. Done by Howell Automotive in Hobart. No relation to JMM. AND I believe JMM only quote 146rwk for the DEV3HL kit (and mine is only the cam and intake...). So there goes your theory about JMM-watts...

Hmmmm. Sorrry Mitchg911, again, it's only hear say...Still no proof...

Can anyone tell me how much torque my car is putting out judging by the figures in the pic?

 

 

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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:24 pm 
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HAHA - 500NM

Gotta love torque multiplication.

In the last week I noticed someone with a crow stage 2 pull 511NM. All about the gear ratios there boys.

 

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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:25 pm 
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lol @ dyno.

You sit on your dyno, Ill go buy mine, and we'll race them.. see which one goes faster..


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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:33 pm 
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justfordima wrote:
lol @ dyno.

You sit on your dyno, Ill go buy mine, and we'll race them.. see which one goes faster..


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So, basically, you're just being a tool then? First you claim to disbelieve JMM's dyno printouts, then (when I show further PROOF!!! that they're output quotes are realistic!) you come across as if you don't seem to care about dyno printouts and talk up racing. From memory, JMM have the fastest N/A Falc in Aus. How about YOU race that?

What mods do you have? What sort of power are you punching out?

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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:34 pm 
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contact hornet about proof of his 500nM, your right.. i cant personally prove it.


and justfordima.. my dyno goes faster its got chrome wheels :P

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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:36 pm 
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RPM
Stock AU 2750 3000 3250 3500 3750 4000 4250 4500 4750 5000 5250
Rear Wheel Kw 75 87 89 95 96 99 100 104 106 102 88
Rear wheel torque NM 261 277 262 259 245 237 225 221 213 195 160
KW with extractors 83 89 92 97 100 111 112 114 116 110 98
NM with Extractors 289 284 271 265 255 265 252 242 233 210 178
DEvV3HL Cam RWKW 79 92 107 114 122 127 133 139 142 144 140
DEvV3HL Cam NM 275 293 315 311 311 304 299 295 286 275 255

Torque at the rear wheels is calculated from rwkw
rwkw/0.75 to horspower
times 5252/rpm
times 1.36 to Nm
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lol, well downingj if you wanna get upset we won't have this mature conversation. Im just saying your basing everything on your dyno printouts..

And I still disbelieve JMM printouts.. nothings gonna change that.

and JMM might have the fastest car, but you don't. So, Ill just race you for now... get some track times, and we''ll see how's that.


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There some proof the dev3hl works for you with real nm fihures for you not tractive effort newtons which people like to quote cause it sounds big.

There are lots of cams out there not saying this is the best but it does work. claim 146rwk and god bless them I have got on various dynos 138-142rwkw and with the unichip slightly more 144rwkw. its close enough for me to say i didn't get ripped by them and i knew $490 wasn't cheap before i bought it.

I still would like a better cam but can't find anyone who will back the claim. Well wade 1521A and Dev5 I have seen run well with better power with a chip or unichip only though.
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mitchg911 wrote:
contact hornet about proof of his 500nM, your right.. i cant personally prove it.


and justfordima.. my dyno goes faster its got chrome wheels :P

-mitch


You can have 500NM at the wheels no problem but this doesnt mean the engine has anywhere near 500NM!

Shift it into lower gears and watch is climb higher.

As you go up though gears, torque reduces, the time in gear increases, and power stays the same.

 

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hence why you run it in a 1:1 gear, and then the only multiplier you have is your diff ratio...


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justfordima wrote:
lol, well downingj if you wanna get upset we won't have this mature conversation. Im just saying your basing everything on your dyno printouts..

And I still disbelieve JMM printouts.. nothings gonna change that.

and JMM might have the fastest car, but you don't. So, Ill just race you for now... get some track times, and we''ll see how's that.


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You seem to laugh out loud a lot...

Look, all I'm asking for is proof (and I'm not the only one) as to what sort of power these cams are putting out. It's not an unreasonable request is it?

I've explained why I haven't got track times elsewhere in this forum and I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you. Estimates are around 14.6. But (in my opinion) that's not the most important aspect of my vehicle (or any other vehicle). I prefer in gear acceleraion. Driveability. Etc etc.

As for maturity, I think you've just proven that it is maturity that you lack. "LOL"!!!
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justfordima wrote:
hence why you run it in a 1:1 gear, and then the only multiplier you have is your diff ratio...


Cheers


yes, but not everyone has the same diff ratio :(

Torque curves are still interesting, but you just cant get carried away with the numbers down the right hand side.

 

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