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 Post subject: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 10:13 am 
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wade 977b cam

And this saturday getting a j3 chip and dyno tune...what can I expect to make!

Also...engine has 300,000 on it. Are there any preventative measures I can take to help prolong its life?

 

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:26 pm 
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How'd you go mate?

I'd would have pegged it at 150+kw at wheels?

 

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 7:44 pm 
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128rwkw...bit lower than i expected, i thought at least 140! Apparently my gas system is very restrictive...so I'm looking to rectify that...

Even so, with the j3 chip and tune it is running so much better and I can feel a lot more power! Pre-tune was 120rwkw, so the tune alone gave me 8rwkw.

 

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1: Mum's car: ED XR6 wagon.zorst,stereo
2: My cars: Holden Monaro CV8-Z 2005. ls1 v8 :)
3: Nissan 180sx.sr20det, ~180rwkw.Lotsa mods,0-100 in 5.2secs.crashed into pole :(
4: EB2 Fairmont. 5spd,2.5" zorst,hi-flow cat,extractors,wade977b,j3, plus a 152dB 200psi train horn

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:29 pm 
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paul09 wrote:
128rwkw...bit lower than i expected, i thought at least 140! Apparently my gas system is very restrictive...so I'm looking to rectify that...

Even so, with the j3 chip and tune it is running so much better and I can feel a lot more power! Pre-tune was 120rwkw, so the tune alone gave me 8rwkw.
Hey look, the peak rwkw is lower than expected. But as you said, "it's running so much better and I feel a lot more power."

If you got a graph with the tune, then you would probably notice at a point around 115-120rwkw that it really just levelled off to a slow rise. Which as your tuner is saying, that is your gas system which is strangling the inlet system.

What was your peak torque? And it's rpm point? What was the average torque gain over untuned?

Most dyno graphs seem to indicate peak tq about 4000rpm & peak power 5250rpm and little fall off from there with the 977B.

Good luck with the rest of the mods/rectification!

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:50 pm 
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Depending what sort of gas system you have it can make quite a difference.

The one I took off my EF, had a mixer in the elbow of the intake just before the throttle body, this in effect cut the size of the throttle body down to about half original size. Car never felt better once it was gone, if it can't breath, it can't go.

There are better mixers out there for performance use that don't restrict like standard ones.
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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:54 pm 
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where did u get ur car tuned?
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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 8:55 pm 
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128rwkw is pretty good with a gas setup, I wouldn't worry about peak to much. You dont have the car at 4000rpm+ anyway (unless your a street racer haha). Aslong as there is a nice gain through mid range thats where your mostly using the power.

 

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:10 pm 
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Tuning was at CVE performance http://www.cveperformance.com

I looked at the dyno graph. There's actually a constant 15rwkw gain from ~2500rpm-4000rpm!!! Compared to before the tune. SO no wonder I can feel the nice difference in the midrange...i got a whole 15rwkw more now :) . Doesn't have torque on it unfortunately :(

 

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1: Mum's car: ED XR6 wagon.zorst,stereo
2: My cars: Holden Monaro CV8-Z 2005. ls1 v8 :)
3: Nissan 180sx.sr20det, ~180rwkw.Lotsa mods,0-100 in 5.2secs.crashed into pole :(
4: EB2 Fairmont. 5spd,2.5" zorst,hi-flow cat,extractors,wade977b,j3, plus a 152dB 200psi train horn

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:11 pm 
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i have heard of them a few times, where abouts are they located?
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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:12 pm 
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and also, how much did the tune cost you? i have a J3 chip already, but it needs a serious tune up
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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:12 pm 
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lowie57 wrote:
i have heard of them a few times, where abouts are they located?

Over in skye, was a 50 minute drive for me from templestowe but well worth it I reckon, Paul (the guy who did it) definitely seemed to know his stuff and was very nice and helpful. Also, very impressed with his tune, my car no longer blows smoke on cold starts and no longer makes popping sounds under deceleration, a couple of nice side benefits :)

It was $550 for the chip supplied and tune. So I'd guess tune alone would be like $300ish? Not too sure what the j3's themselves are worth.

 

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1: Mum's car: ED XR6 wagon.zorst,stereo
2: My cars: Holden Monaro CV8-Z 2005. ls1 v8 :)
3: Nissan 180sx.sr20det, ~180rwkw.Lotsa mods,0-100 in 5.2secs.crashed into pole :(
4: EB2 Fairmont. 5spd,2.5" zorst,hi-flow cat,extractors,wade977b,j3, plus a 152dB 200psi train horn

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:14 pm 
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awesome, im about 10 minutes away from skye. (in frankston) when i get some more cash together i will have to go pay him a visit. How much did it cost you?
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Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:14 pm 
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lowie57 wrote:
awesome, im about 10 minutes away from skye. (in frankston) when i get some more cash together i will have to go pay him a visit. How much did it cost you?

edited above post

give him a call or send him an email, he was pretty quick to respond when I asked him for quotes

 

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1: Mum's car: ED XR6 wagon.zorst,stereo
2: My cars: Holden Monaro CV8-Z 2005. ls1 v8 :)
3: Nissan 180sx.sr20det, ~180rwkw.Lotsa mods,0-100 in 5.2secs.crashed into pole :(
4: EB2 Fairmont. 5spd,2.5" zorst,hi-flow cat,extractors,wade977b,j3, plus a 152dB 200psi train horn

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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:16 pm 
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Cheers for that mate, Blank J3's are about $80 i think, and pre-tuned around $120 if my memory serves me correctly.

I will definitly go down there in a few weeks time, hopefully it will sort out my idle issues..

Excited to see what kind of power mine will make.

Thanks for the info, muchly appreciated
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 Post subject: Re: What sort of power can I expect?
Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:31 pm 
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I was gunna say being a factory dual fuel dont expect much over 130.
If you had straight gas you could knock out 150.

 

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