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So I know it's probably been answered before in vague terms (I did find something once but can't find it again!)
I've got the facia and the headunit for a single DIN unit below the ICC, but my query is how did everyone go about getting it all wired up? I assumed I'd be able to access the speaker wiring right there behind the ICC but I've read about people being advised that place to tap into that wiring is behind the drivers kick panel? And add to that power and accessories, the cut lighter will probably work for accessories and again I assumed I could get constant from the ICC, but other people have been saying use the constant from the aux/phone input next to the fuse box. Now that's a lot more wiring than I had expected or planned! So is that my only option or did you guys do something different?
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Hey Dude,
OK, to get ACC power i used to the cigarette lighter and ran a new lead from the battery for power. Then i just grounded it to the body of the car. But with the speaker wires, i just ran new ones. For me it was easier than trying to figure out what to splice into, the door trims take 5 minutes to remove and you can run the wires under the dash pretty easy, just cable tie them to whatever you can find to keep them away from your feet and youd never know. The hard parts is getting the cables through the doors, if you want that done properly you will need to splice into the factory wires behind each kick panel, there is a post on the forum somewhere for that. But i wouldnt bother trying to find those speaker wires under the ICC, youd have to remove the whole thing to get a proper look. Good Luck,
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Thanks mate,
Don't know if I can really be bothered running a lead from the battery if there is one under the steering column anyway + I will be running new speaker wire....when I mount a new amp in the boot. In the future I'm planning on having an 4 channel run the 4 speakers and a mono for 1 or 2 subs all set up in the boot, so the plan is to run new wiring from the back into the front so it would be a bit of a waste of time running new wires only to heavily modify them later on! But thanks for your info on the speaker wiring from the ICC, I was hoping they'd be accessible but not luck i suppose!
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In short:
- all the power connections you need are easily available from the phone/aux plug. They're NOT easy to get at from the ICC. - Those that say get the speaker wiring at the kick panels, are those that are running amps - and are too lazy to run the wires through to the door. I have run wires through to the doors, a 16ga figure 8, and a 20ga figure 8 cable into each door. There is sufficient room between the white connector blocks and the black clip (that locks the connector block into the body). But it is a C*** of a job. Easily took me about 4 hours each door + many bruises and cuts.
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Ah s**t! I was talking myself into wiring new through the doors! But I have no where near 4hrs each door!
I can't tell though with what you're saying data_mine - the reason they go in at the kick panels is because they are running amps - so are you saying that because atm I'm not running amps the speaker wiring is accessible from the ICC? And thanks for confirming the power from the telephone plug question!
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fowlerj wrote: Ah s**t! I was talking myself into wiring new through the doors! But I have no where near 4hrs each door! I can't tell though with what you're saying data_mine - the reason they go in at the kick panels is because they are running amps - so are you saying that because atm I'm not running amps the speaker wiring is accessible from the ICC? And thanks for confirming the power from the telephone plug question! Getting at the speaker wires at the kicks is nice and easy, and when running speaker wires from the boot, makes more sense too. Getting them from the ICC isn't as easy, but if you're wiring from a head unit makes more sense. Only run wires into the doors if you really need a more heavy duty cable to the speakers, or you have another need to. I've done it because, there's 4 of the 8 speakers up front in the doors. Woofer in the factory location, and super tweeter on the mirror triangle. The mid range and tweeter are on the a-pillars. So I need two separate cables into each door. Or you could cheat, like I did for a bit:  *note not a good idea, someone stepping on the sill could cut the cable on the sharp metal work underneath.
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If you will be running amps in the future, I recommend getting the wires from the kick panels. Save rework later on, and it's easier to work on.
If you need it I can look up the colour codes for you when I get home.
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data_mine wrote: I have run wires through to the doors, a 16ga figure 8, and a 20ga figure 8 cable into each door. There is sufficient room between the white connector blocks and the black clip (that locks the connector block into the body). But it is a C*** of a job. Easily took me about 4 hours each door + many bruises and cuts. I admire your patience man, i gotta tell ya after 4 hours of me trying to get that in, there wouldnt be a door left. I tried for about an hour an gave up and just went around it, didnt use the factory loom cuz those wires looked piss weak.
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Fairmont_03_5.4 wrote: data_mine wrote: I have run wires through to the doors, a 16ga figure 8, and a 20ga figure 8 cable into each door. There is sufficient room between the white connector blocks and the black clip (that locks the connector block into the body). But it is a C*** of a job. Easily took me about 4 hours each door + many bruises and cuts. I admire your patience man, i gotta tell ya after 4 hours of me trying to get that in, there wouldnt be a door left. I tried for about an hour an gave up and just went around it, didnt use the factory loom cuz those wires looked piss weak. At first I thought it was impossible (hence my 'cheat' above), but after being reliably told it was possible - but not how hard it was the guy I was talking to forget to mention that part, I gave it a go. Hardest part is getting the wire through convoluted rubber seal, then putting it back in place. Once you've got it through (I worked for the door into the cabin), it's easy just pull it through - it slides nicely. Getting it started was the hard part.
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Cheers data_mine, I guess I'll have sus it out when I'm in there and see where's the best place to access them!
I have the colours of the wiring from a workshop manual, but not which is pos or neg. If you know which is pos or neg that would be an awesome help lol!
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Each pair has a wire with a black trace/stripe, that's the negative.
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Holy s**t - what an onslaught of wiring! Multiple wires with the same colours too!
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Ok data_mine
I ended up giving up on getting the wires from the ICC, I had the whole thing out and was sifting through all the wires and found some of the colours but then there were other wires in there that were the same colour aswell. Add to that that I couldn't trace any of them back because theres no room.... Decided that I will probably just rewire the speaker cables except for the fronts. Will make it easier for soldering and later adding an amp etc. But I kind of need a quick hand from you - would you be able to tell me if you remember which one of these plugs has the speaker wiring in it? I basically tried searching the loom that runs beside the driver for colours that match the speaker colours in my manual but couldn't find any, yet the wires that physically connect to the speakers in the back match perfectly! And if you could confirm these are the colours Im looking for- RHF - Grey/Black - | Grey/Green + LHR - Orange/Black - | Orange/LG(whats 'LG'?) + RHR - Blue/Black - | Blue/Red + LHR - Pink/Black - | Pink/Green + Pic  Its been a massive jump from the EB! Anyways thanks for you help! Cheers, Jacob
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FR Grey/Green, Grey/Black
FL Orange/LightGreen, Orange/Black RR Blue/Red, Blue/Black RL Pink/Green, Pink/Black The front right goes through connector C50 (drivers side kick panel, the orange one in your pic) - The grey/black will be one of the corners in the connector (call it top right), the grey/green will then be bottom, third from the right. All the rest through connector C396 (passenger side kick panel) - orange/black and orange/lightgreen will be in the middle row on the left side - the blue set will be nearby - as will the pink set bottom row at left.
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Wow s**t thanks mate!
That makes my life a million times easier! Cheers, Jacob
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