Yeah, I found Mythbusters attempt at HHO was more comical and was a half-ar/sed attempt.

Thing to note though, there are alternatives to putting additives into distilled water to make an electrolyte mixture. There are guys posting videos on youtube where they're replicating Stan Meyer's experiment with pure water and getting some *insane* gas production with minimal current draw.

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Not bad from 0.5A and 12V. 150mL of gas in 20 seconds, just under 0.5L/minute.

Garth, have you measured the flow rate from your latest units?

Well I finally got the booster hooked up and running on the mazda 626 now, I wrapped the probe in aluminium foil and it seems to work so far - I have some pics I will put up here shortly, trying out attachments

Sorry about the quality (mobile at night) will get better pics in daylight soon

I took it for a run around the block b4 and just checked the exhaust tailpipe and it used to be black and sooty, well it's all clean and there are signs of water at idle well pleased, I will workout over the next week how much fuel I use going back and forth to work.

cheers AL

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Hi all
I now have 3 cars running HHO all with different setups and fuels.
The Ford Au
LPG, 2000 Model 250Ks on the clock covers up to 400Ks a day with a mix of driving.
Using a PVC container (KOH) with my new laser cut 316 plates into a flooded cell arrangement .So it has an over flow tank. Mounted in front of the radiator running at around 15amps.
PWM and Amp meter with an over ride unit on the O2 sensor.
If driven like a granny 9.5 if you drive like me 11.5 to 12.4L per 100Ks
Daewoo Lanos
1999 model 1.5 liter fuel injected.
Using a PVC container which contains different internals (NaOH). About a meter of thin 316 SS wound up into a coil with about 2 mill between the coiled thin plate. I wanted something to run at lower amps. Mounted near fire wall and attached to a separate bubbler. Not a flooded cell but has a side site tube to monitor water levels. Neat little unit runs around 12 amps when warm. Exact mileage isn’t know but about extra 100ks to150Ks per tank full. I have just got built an over ride unit that I will be fitting to the O2 sensor so I will be expecting more.
Nissan Patrol
1995 Dual Fuel
Just fitted a larger cell its one of my new Laser Cut Plate units in a flooded cell arrangement. Mounted it inside a water filter housing (NaOH). No Mileage test but I gained about 15% in power, even the wife said it was a lot zippier. The housing is bit big so I had to mount it on the bull bar. Keeps it cool and the unit is tuff so no worries about stones. Runs around 15 amps when hot. Maf/Map already fitted but is only effective on petrol. The O2 sensor is next.
Im so happy with my Laser Cut Electrolysers I have started to cell them on Ebay.
I read the other day that Australia contains more inventers per square meter than any other country. So keep the HHO burning and I will let you know when I get some figures from the last two cars.
A note to would be buyers some of the units on ebay only contain SS All Thread as the internals. Cheap and nasty stuck inside cookie tins. Don’t expect too much from 6 to 8 amps (what they recommend).

Cheers Madmurf

Hi Madmurf - Great info Mate keep up the good work

Have you got any pics of the flooded cell arrangement, I'd be interested in trying that type of setup and I also was thinking of running mine thru a filter of some sort to get rid of the rusty coloured s**t in the water. I have a fish tank pump and a s**t load of clear tube who knows what can be done with that hey

food for thought

cheers AL

Mate you shouldnt have rusty colour at all.
Use Stainles 316L and KOH or NaOh with distilled water. My Au has done over 10000Ks on the same water and looks clean.
Start off with a good unit. Learn from others I use to empty my glass jars once a week now all I do is top up 100mm of water after a driving over 1600Ks.
The jars and cheaper materials are great to play with but a pain in butt after a while.
I will try and post up some pics I have a video on youtube search under madmurf. It shows the Laser Cut plates in action.
Madmurf

Thanks Madmurf

It must be the soda thats doing it then ??

will look around for the KOH and give that a go, It works bloody great, but it just gets dirty after a days running ....

cheers AL

Soda Yep that would be the issue. Ive seen guys use that Coolaid stuff and fine for the first hour or so then the brown muck starts to appear. This is why you have cow boys saying use this and that and really haven’t done the hard yards of the testing. In the end people buy products and say ah that never works.
I have half a bench full of stuff that I have used and tested as electrolytes. From baking soda to caustic. To clean up you existing cell put in a couple tea spoons of citric acid with distilled water and leave it a couple of days. Yes it also acts as Electrolyte but breaks down after a short period of time. Don’t touch the plates with you fingers as oil from the skin will effect the production of HHO.
I have found that alkaline seems to be the best you just need to treat it with respect. Once its setup and you don’t need much it should stay stable and all you need is distilled water as a top up. After about 6 months or 10,000Ks or what ever comes first dump it and put in a fresh batch. I sound like a service mechanic.
Flooded cells are great as the overflow tank operates as a cooler, bubbler and a filling point for the Cell. No more pulling the lid off the cell itself. So I have my cell mounted in front of the radiator and the filler up near the battery. The wiring is a bit messy at the moment as Im fitting a water level probe and other stuff into the Overflow tank. That way I have a little flashing LED when my water is low.
Hope This Helps
Madmurf

Hi All
Got some photos to post up. The Ford Au ones all went fuzzy so dont no what happen to them
One of the Patrol with front mounted cell and the over flow bubbler next to the radiator. Cant believe the extra zip the Patrol now has.
One of the Daewoo with the coiled unit. Seems to be very stable.
The only ford photo one is a pic of inside the car with the main switch, amp meter and red led for water level.
Let me know if you would like specific photos.
I might take some of the inside the cells.?
Fitted my new falsh back arrestor today. Pretty happy with the design as it is solid copper body with one end using a check valve.
Cheers
MM

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Excellent Madmurf

Gotta luv the stick on badge on the front guard - keep up the great work man

I finally got my system up and running now, I uploaded a video to youtube of it

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cheers AL

I was playing around with different chemicals in my booster to see which one worked the best !!

Earlier tonight i bought a bottle of Caustic Soda and I tried a level teaspoon of it in the booster and F**k I nearlly fell over it put out approx. 6 to 7 bubbles a second out of a 13mm clear plastic hose in the bubbler (each bubble would have been as big as a marble) I will upload the video of it tonight and put the link to it when youtube clears it ok

cheers AL

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Bullet

That is pretty impressive output for a 4 plate generator! what amps are you pulling?

Madmurf,

On the weekend I put together a Smack's Booster, made to his instructions. It is pulling 5Amps with some pretty impressive output. I have bought 2 one-way valves off you from ebay, and really interested in the EFIE you have on ebay at the moment. If I miss out on this EFIE, are you able to get any more? And how much? I am still looking at a PWM from you soon as well.

Keep up the good work guys..

By the way, My fuel consumption has gone from 11.4 l/100km to 10.4l/100km. Got to be happy with that... but I still think there is room for improvement.

Hi Manstra
Good work with the Smack booster Its great to hear people are getting into this. Keep in mind the original smack was built for the user who does up to half hour trips if you tend to do more than that you could end up with heat issues and what we call run away melt down. Is that 5 amps cold.?
Are you running a bubbler or just going with the check valves. I use check valves for a number of reasons on my booster setups not just the air intake. I currently use one of my flash back arresters with has a check valve as well. along with a bubbler.
Maybe over safe but HHO its pretty powerful.
Hold off on the current Control unit I have a better one that will be listed in about a week.
Bullet crazy video just love the garden hose. That unit is really rocken and rollen but I think you may be generating a lot of steam as well. A little vapor is good for the engine but again dont end up with a melt down. I use both potassium and sodium hydroxide and they are the best BUT treat it with respect and keep a bottle on white vinegar handy to neutralise it if you spill it on your skin.
I just cant keep up with you guys
Just a word or warning be careful or the HHO bug will get you.
Now Im really happy with my cells and the wet overflow design my next little HHO project is a dry cell. I will let you know how it goes and get some pics up soon.
All the way with HHO.
MM

Hey Madmurf,

the 5 Amps is cold. I have a 30 amp fuse in line to prevent the runaway Amps but it isn't drawing anywhere near that at the moment. I work 15 minute drive from home. The longest drive I have done so with it is 1.5 hours and had no problems.

I have a bubbler on the outlet, but no flame arrester. I saw your video on youtube, but at this stage I think an EFIE is of more value to me (after all... the car has full insurance...

Hopefully your valves will turn up tomorrow as the generator is drawing back from the bubbler and I want to put an expansion tank on the generator so it will auto fill.

Sorry Guys for butting in here

Can anyone tell me how much hydrogen would be needed to benefit in the saving of fuel in a 2.2 fuel injected mazda, the reason I ask this is : I think I am trying to make too much and creating a lot of heat in the process - My system (as you may have seen in the video) pumps out s**t of hydrogen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu7hctxHhkU
But I dont know whether I need anywhere near as much as that to help with the fuel savings

My system uses 13mm hoses and I usually get about 4 - 6 bubbles every second but it gets too hot, I have played with the water, soda mix and got it down to 1 bubble a second and it runs (cold) 3 amps (warm) 7amps ( I use a 12volt charger with an amp gauge on it - But I would like to know how much out of a 13mm hose would benefit

cheers AL

Hi Bullet
I have found this is one of those it depends questions. As I said your unit looks like its boiling rather than producing HHO.
A good rule of thumb is about 1 liter per min per 2 liter engine capacity. Thats the best but any HHO will improve the economy, even running jam jars I got 10% increase. I have also heard that ratio of 4% of hho to air, but I dont know if thats true. Another problem that can occur is when you produce HHO is confuses the exhaust O2 sensor which makes the engine think its running lean and increases fuel to the injectors. Ive found that with the ford running it at around 15 amps I get the best fuel mileage but thats with a PWM and a LPG engine. Its a lot of trial and error.
Run it at your current setting and do a mileage test.
Then modify it and see how it goes. Just remember the cell shouldnt get much hotter than a hot cup of coffee.
Cheers
MM