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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:04 pm 
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i'd use a Heavy Duty Alternator......or two even......

as long as your not taking to much power out of your engine.

if your really wanted to you could probably produce a closed system steam powered dyno by running thin water filled copper pipes around your headers-cat. theirs so many ways to harness electricity in a car, sometimes you just need to think outside the box.

this stuff is still very skeptical, if i had the money and was seriously considering doing it i would buy an old car with a carby and an engine size of less then 2L. this way theirs less engine management system issues to deal with, less HHO is needed to efficiently fuel the engine and if you do destroy the car at least its not as big a deal.

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i just checked out the link, i haven't seen that style of plate set up before, that would work and be very size effective, but i wonder how often the water would have to be changed/toped up. and i doubt that set up produces 2L per min, my prototype may have been very under powered, but it took 40mins to fill up a 600ml bottle (15ml per min), i cant see this set up being 133.3 times faster when its only running at half an amp more then my set up was. and even then our engines suck in 4L of air each cycle. from that i reckon to be really effective we would need at least 100L of air per min made

 

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 Post subject: Re: petrol plus HHO?
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:45 pm 
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True, but all we really need to is augment the combustion, not run the car on hho......yet.......if we pipe the hho through the air filter, the O2 sensor will detect the Oxygen and increase the fuel, but is we pipe the HHO into the intake pipe After the O2 sensor, we'll have more Oxygen, Hydrogen and Fuel, giving a more complete burn......at least, thats what i think will happen
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Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:54 pm 
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somone just do it already.
blow up a car and document it. :lol: :lol:

 

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 Post subject: Re: petrol plus HHO?
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:56 pm 
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True, but all we really need to is augment the combustion, not run the car on hho......yet.......if we pipe the hho through the air filter, the O2 sensor will detect the Oxygen and increase the fuel, but is we pipe the HHO into the intake pipe After the O2 sensor, we'll have more Oxygen, Hydrogen and Fuel, giving a more complete burn......at least, thats what i think will happen

yar but hears the problem, on a b series and above (not sure about a and e) the oxygen sensor is located in the exhaust :? you can buy devices made for running HHO which plug on to your O2 sensor and eventually lean out your car, you could also flash the ecu.

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somone just do it already.
blow up a car and document it. :lol: :lol:

haha stop temping me :lol: im a student studying chemistry aswell, so you have no idea the self control im using to hold myself back.

lets play with some maths :lol:
Ok our engines are 4L, lets say your cruising at 1750 RPM, your engine is very hungry, its eating 7000L per min of air. but to further make this real life, ill say the engine only has 90% efficiently (only 90% of the cylinder space is filled with air) that's still 6300L per min. now you can see why believe this would really only be noticeably effective on a small engine

4L x 1000 = 4000 x 0.9 = 3600L/per min
4L x 1750 = 7000 x 0.9 = 6300L/per min
4L x 5800 = 23000 x 0.9 = 20880L/per min

 

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 Post subject: Re: petrol plus HHO?
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:12 am 
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Can we just find an old run down EA 4.0 and blow it up??...........best way to see if it works..........
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 10:15 am 
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Pure 100% unadulterated snake oil, on a par with the performance "chips" also listed on Ebay.

Do the maths on a cubic foor per minute basis, then multiply that by an hour. How much hydrogen do you need? That's why to experimental hydrogen cars store liquid hydrogen, because it takes so much gas. Then compare this amount of gas to the amount of hydrogen generated and you will quickly realise it doesn't come anywhere near close to adding up. 0.0000001% (and I'm being generous) won't make any improvement whatsoever

If you want to dig deeper, it actaully reduces the output of the engine eg. you burn petrol to spin the alternator, & 70% of the chemical energy goes into the cooling system. So 30% actually creates crankshaft rotation. Some drives the alternator to make the hydrogen, which then gets burnt. Again 70% of the energy goes into the cooling system. So it is a NET LOSS even before considering any other power losses along the way

 

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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 2:40 pm 
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Can we just find an old run down EA 4.0 and blow it up??...........best way to see if it works..........

i was thinking more along the lines of an old datsun with a 1.6L carby engine. or even a fiat 500. it would be nice to run a falcon but the engine size is just too big.
once i finish uni and get a real job im gonna do this for sure, as just a fun little project. but that won't be for a couple of years.

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Pure 100% unadulterated snake oil, on a par with the performance "chips" also listed on Ebay.

yer im sure the ebay ones are more so scams then legit, if you read the post about the output of the generator and the intake of our 4L engines you'll see i got pretty much the same result as you for efficiency of the generator.
as ive said best way to do this would be to make your own generator and use it to power a small engine, powering a light weight car.

 

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 Post subject: Re: petrol plus HHO?
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:04 pm 
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what i would like to see is if running the HHO Generator and using the HHO to augment the combustion helps create cleaner exhaust and improves the efficiency of the 4.0, and even to go so far as to see if it works better with Petrol or LPG..............any hypothesis' ??????
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Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 11:59 pm 
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i know it does clean the engine, this is because the HHO coverts back to h2 in the engine, and due to the heat forms steam, this essentially steam cleans your engine.

ok now ive found out a good way to do this, using whats called a dry cell set up, the cell size becomes smaller and more efficient. i reckon a 22 plate (+nnnnnn-nnnnnn+nnnnnn-) set up should do the trick, with the plates being at least 170x150 and 3mm spacing, this cell when built would be about 100-120 thick (plates+spacing gaskets+ends, 17.6+63+20=100.6, plus bolts). ecu tuning would be reqired to lean out the engine for it.
i reckon it would be possible, not sure how affective it will be on our engines, im guestimating around 20% better economy depending on the flow rate

 

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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:11 pm 
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tap a hole in the top of a battery, then overcharge the s**t out of it!
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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:39 pm 
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tap a hole in the top of a battery, then overcharge the s**t out of it!


This made me LOL. Maybe rig up a washer bottle to keep the battery topped up with water.

 

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Posted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:30 pm 
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hmm i was waiting for someone to make a battery reference :lol:

 

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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:56 pm 
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using 0.8 316 grade stainless??
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Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:32 pm 
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yer 0.8, has to be 316L, 316L has a 3% lower carbon then 316. and KOH of at least 90% purity is needed as its a low/no sediment catalyst.
it can be done, but if i did it, it would be more of a small little project thing. and i really don't want to spend over $100 to make the complete system, plus more to get it tuned to run leaner.

 

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 Post subject: Re: petrol plus HHO?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:55 pm 
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hey im new here but u obviously know what your talking about
i recommend not trying to light hydrogen with a match (personal experience)
hydrogen has a octane of 130 where petrol is only around 85-90 so yeah its gonna go boom faster
ive made a fully functioning wet cell generator it works beatifully but its not all that effiecient so im now making a dry cell in a couple of months im going to get a cheap datto and run hydrogen through it
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