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 Post subject: Re: Choockpen Fighting
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:16 pm 
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Watching royce gracie or whatever his name is was boring, he has no stand up and just tries to go to ground and submit them.
best fights in ufc history havent ended on the ground, everyone loves standup :D
This could go on forever...



he stick to one style of fighting, the style that his family invented, bjj(Brazilian jui jujitsu)
Infact it was the gracie family that began ufc, it was ment to be a style vs style organization (bjj vs boxing, muai thai vs karate, you get the vibe)..

it has since advanced to a fighter vs fighter thing since everyone does everything these days


I seem to remember something about the gracies throwing out a challenge or something to go up against any martial art, is that how it got started?
I only like to follow the kickfighters like gsp and boxers/muai thai thats why i dont know too much about jui jitsu.
I guess my favourites are gsp,diego sanchez,nick diaz(i think hes is jui jitsu) and the dean of mean coz im pretty sure hes an aussie and all their styles involve some hairy scary kos and of course getting put to sleep too.
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:24 pm 
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Do you think, like back-to-front baseball caps/rap music/basketball/etc., we will have a whole lot of teenage tryhards in Tapout shirts... Itching to bash somebody smaller or weaker to smithereens to show how hard core they are?

Thats more the direction of my question, rather than if My tai is more hard core than Ju jitsu, or such a fighter can beat such and such...
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:55 pm 
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Its already happening bubby and its just human nature to fight, can you really blame the ufc or is it the small mindedness of these retards watching and basically acting out their fight fantasys :?
i get that you dont like the ufc but there will always be people who wont do the training etc(the sport side of it) and just want to go out and smash people over because that is their mentality.
its sad but it will always be a part of life.
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:40 pm 
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Do you think, like back-to-front baseball caps/rap music/basketball/etc., we will have a whole lot of teenage tryhards in Tapout shirts... Itching to bash somebody smaller or weaker to smithereens to show how hard core they are?

Thats more the direction of my question, rather than if My tai is more hard core than Ju jitsu, or such a fighter can beat such and such...



yes of course it would to an extent, but thats life, you have to understand that sports like this do encourage an audience and competitors, but in a controlled venue.. same as soccer footy etc.. its like blaming afl for kids playing footy on the street..

and milo 302 gsp,diego sanchez,nick diaz are all black belt experts in bjj..

and pretty sure dean of mean aka keith jardine aka technoviking is a yank

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:19 am 
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i have respect for all sportsmen. and i dont think that that a show will make people go out and try to bash someone if they are going to do it they will do it.
but i must say that the best athlete that i have seen is Manny Pacquiao the pacman The Filipino boxing superstar is the first boxer to win seven world titles in seven different weight divisions and is rated the best pound for pound boxer that has ever lived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxP2mELggI
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:34 am 
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Well i was trained in boxing by my pop a former boxer but these kids these days watch that movie neva back down and go wow lets form a underground fight club etc etc im about to learn mma for fitness and self defense reasons due to my nature of my work :mrgreen:

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:43 am 
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I just find it amusing that as a society we try to to stamp out aggressive dog breeds and violent video games, but allow more and more vicious forms of fighting into the public eye and movies continue to become more and more violent?

the problem isnt so much the fighting styles themselves it the personalities and theatrics (talking s**t about your oponent and this im the toughest C*** in the world, and ill kick everyones a*** to prove it) in boxing and moreso in the older very structured forms of martial arts there are very clear rules of who when and where to fight (and when to stop), with MMA and UFC you have all these try hard fans (and amatuer fighters) who want to be the best but wouldnt last ten seconds in a fight with any of their idols, so they go around getting into fights with anyone who looks at them (take not of how many juniour boxers/kickboxers etc - end up in the paper for beating some random person into a pulp).

i dont really believe its violent sports fault at all, its just a general degradation of societies values coupled with young blokes with no self control and a superiority problem.

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:48 pm 
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4dlvr wrote:
BubbyGetPizzaForCat wrote:
Do you think, like back-to-front baseball caps/rap music/basketball/etc., we will have a whole lot of teenage tryhards in Tapout shirts... Itching to bash somebody smaller or weaker to smithereens to show how hard core they are?

Thats more the direction of my question, rather than if My tai is more hard core than Ju jitsu, or such a fighter can beat such and such...



yes of course it would to an extent, but thats life, you have to understand that sports like this do encourage an audience and competitors, but in a controlled venue.. same as soccer footy etc.. its like blaming afl for kids playing footy on the street..

and milo 302 gsp,diego sanchez,nick diaz are all black belt experts in bjj..

and pretty sure dean of mean aka keith jardine aka technoviking is a yank


So youre telling me these guys arent renowned for striking...
Sanchez is one of the best strikers in the ufc, having bjj as a base doesnt mean s**t when your bread and butter is standup.
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:12 pm 
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you can believe that all you like, he is by all means a good stricker, but no where near alot of other light weights.. he will get his a** handed to him if he didnt have such a good ground game, the reason why he is a good striker is because fighters show him too much respect when striking because there to scared to get caught with a takedown.. bj proved how not so good his striking really is..


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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:23 pm 
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I don't know if its due to the rise in popularity of UFC or the increase in popular drug and crime culture but assaults on cab drivers have skyrocketed over the last few months. Since the end of October at least 2 cab drivers get assaulted per shift during Friday and Saturday nights.

And these aren't light one punch assaults, these are rather brutal. The last one resulted in the cab driver getting his door kicked in, drivers window smashed, and getting glassed in the side of the head. The glassing knocked him out and left him with a 20 cm gash down the side of his head as well as a broken jaw and a handful of missing teeth. When he eventually came to he drove himself the short distance to the hospital where they had to fly him to ST George hospital cause they couldn't operate on him in Wollongong. I always questioned the increase in violent macho behaviour and now I'm questioning how long I can keep doing my job for before I also become a statistic. I think its time for me to get out of the public transport game before you guys come to my funeral.

However, having said all that, I think the increase in violent crime is not due to violent sports but due to the way the sports are promoted and glorified. When gangsta movies became popular in the early-mid 90's every second kid dreamed of being a gangsta. The ones that came from underprivileged families were already "living the dream", but what I found appalling was the number of kids from well to do families who thought that living a life of crime was cool. And so many of them chose to live fashionable gangsta lifestyles. I don't know about you guys but nothing is fashionable about a housing commission block where you can smell the poverty from 2kms away. And believe me poverty smells. Kind of like a hookers nether regions but with a hint of well warn, unwashed clothing for good measure. Obviously they never saw that coming from watching the movies. If films had some form of smellovision then no normal people would want to be affiliated with gangsta life.


Anyway, back to UFC and social violence. I think the current violent trends have stemmed from the remnants of the 90's gangsta scene (violence was a big part of it) and events like UFC are simply fanning the flames to a fire that's been burning for years.

 

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Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:18 pm 
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I'm sure its not simply one thing causing society to become more violent. Amphetamines make people a bit psychotic, and financial issues drive violence a lot of the time. Each to their own, but I cant really see whats sporting about bashing somebody already on the canvas or unconcious. I think the cross-over into societal interraction isnt really worth the cheap entertainment.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKBDnifK ... re=related that is all i will say

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKBDnifKo48&feature=related that is all i will say


thats no different from wwe

 

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I love watching all MMA ide have to say Fedor Emelianenko would be one of the best fighters ive seen, maybe not real flashy but gets the job done everytime ,as of the issue to street fighting and going down the pub or out some where and some d**k tries to spoil your night by throwing his weight around and his fist's i cant stand this type of behavior just school yard bullies that have never grown up, i mean if you want to have a go, i wont run away ill stand there toe to toe but when you go out its for a good time not looking for trouble, to many people out trying to be big men these days... if your going out to look for trouble do the rest of the world a favour and hang your self..

 

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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2010 10:21 am 
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I am just wondering, society seems to be getting more and more violent. Obviously there are many reasons for this, and even advances in media communications might just make it seem like things are getting more violent.
The old days of "You and me outside!", a few punches thrown, the matter considered sorted out... Has been apparently replaced by glassing somebody's face, king hitting them in the back of the head, and stomping on peoples head while they are unconcious.
My question is do these current disciplines of choockpen fighting like UFC etc., where pretty well anything goes, encourage an unreasonable level of savagery? Boxing also has the primary objective of beating your opponent to a bloody pulp, but has some rules and guidelines of fair play.
What happens wher we get bored with the choockpen format? are they going to allow clubs and knives or something?


nail-on-the-head with that one mate!

I've never hit a person while they were down, been hit while down 3 times.
I don't understand it really what these younger blokes are thinking?

The violence is more, as you say, no longer is it enough for me and you to step outside, couple of hits, and yep to hit harder, you win, problem solved!
They seem to be unable to accept defeat (perhaps the education system or diciplinary changes, or just the world goin soft)
Sorta like a sore loser they gotta use weapons (a glass it seems is suitable) or once the gang see the bloke down they realize they can hit a person with zero risk so the all jump in. Or they wait till you are walking away and hit you from behind.
after the movie Bra Boys came out there was the stuff on today tonight about the teen gangs in Sydney.
What a joke! Bunch of 16-17 year old kids who can only fight in a pack, go out drinking all night, don't bother with school, who follow their post code "yo we reppin tha 5540, Betta rekonize!"
WTF??? Do you think we are America?
You wanna bash that dude cos he walked up the wrong freaking street??
In 20 years these are the tools who will be unqualified an a useless burden on society. No chance of being a manager for an auto electrical business, or bricklayers business. They were too busy being gangstas in school than to get an education.

I say to them, you all carry on about "Aussie pride" thinking that's what you are supporting...how about the main saying that our fore fathers fought for "Fair go mate"???

THAT'S Aussie Pride!
Also beating a Holden...that's a close second.

 

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