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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:14 pm 
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down the track i will be getting a ba xr6t engine put in my el xr6 for 6 and half grand

what are the best things to upgrade on thie engine since i want something thats not reliant on the turbos boost to get it going i was thinking cam upgrades, all the standard stuff

any ideas what gives a good haul a** from 0-100 and the cost

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:41 pm 
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"LOL" - waste of time, just up the boost, get a Process West/Plazmaman/Nizpro intake plenum and a good intercooler + a few other little things then hello easy 350rwkw and good luck to your drive line :P

 

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 Post subject: Re: power from ba xr6t engine
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:39 pm 
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but iv herd upping the boost altho its clear it gives u all of the power aperntly not for a while untill u are hitting over the 80km mark

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:21 pm 
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but iv herd upping the boost altho its clear it gives u all of the power aperntly not for a while untill u are hitting over the 80km mark

Listen to them then..Ask those same people what you want....
The guys here that have turbo cars know nothing !!!!

 

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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:59 pm 
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or mabye im waiting for an answer on why i would have herd that

and some facts on why they would be wrong

i dont have a tubro how am i supposed to know iv never driven one either so im just going off what other people say, or are questions to hard to answer

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:50 am 
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Good tune opening up exhaust etc the usual mods..
Yes it sounds like these mods are oriented for upper power levels..
But the turbo spools quick at lower rpm also..
The less back pressure it has and the more exh manifold pressure.. The quicker it will spool...
Keep in mind traction!! Don't listen to people about spool and turbo's
N/A engines are all lag!!!
Its just that when boost - power comes on... It seems slow before and bloody fast when it does!!!
What can help if you DON'T want max power is raising initial compression...
I wouldn't do this UNLESS an FORGED rotating assembly is fitted..
A 9.5 to 1 engine at 300rwkw is quicker to drive than a 8.5 to 1 300rwkw..
There's less power transition between off boost and on boost..
But remember you don't want to be on boost all the time as you'll be using way too much fuel etc..
If the cars an auto it can be spooled up on converter, power is virtually instant !!
Take it easy turbo power is alot faster than you think as its so bloody quiet, you reach a corner or intersection way quick....Trust me!!
Respect the torque and power !!!

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:34 am 
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thanks for a decent answer

thats why i figured i would do all the things u would do to an n/a car so i had power with out having to use extreme amounts of boost, coz my cars 100kg's less is that going to make traction a bigger problem or hav i got an edge against the ba xr6t?

once i have the engine i will probs stop the power at 350rwkw or so and more so focuse on the suspension and fats at the back and some brakes that actualy work

whats the cost involved to get me at 350rwkw not including the engine its self

 

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ask these questions again when you get the engine, cause it depends what motor you get.
also i think you are dreaming a little bit.

 

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paulos wrote:
thanks for a decent answer

thats why i figured i would do all the things u would do to an n/a car so i had power with out having to use extreme amounts of boost, coz my cars 100kg's less is that going to make traction a bigger problem or hav i got an edge against the ba xr6t?

once i have the engine i will probs stop the power at 350rwkw or so and more so focuse on the suspension and fats at the back and some brakes that actualy work

whats the cost involved to get me at 350rwkw not including the engine its self


your tuner will have alot to do with your final power output..

some people are pulling big power from cheap engines and some blokes pour more money in for the same power but thats all about reliability..

you can only choose 2 of the 3.....
cheap reliable powerful
not all 3..

minimum youll need is :
valve springs $$$
3.5 inch dump and exhaust$$$$$$$$
alot more boost$$
an excellent gearbox and diff $$$$$$$$$(not the speghetti diff im sure your running at the moment)
bigger intercooler and pipework$$$$$$$

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:06 pm 
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104ord wrote:
paulos wrote:
thanks for a decent answer

thats why i figured i would do all the things u would do to an n/a car so i had power with out having to use extreme amounts of boost, coz my cars 100kg's less is that going to make traction a bigger problem or hav i got an edge against the ba xr6t?

once i have the engine i will probs stop the power at 350rwkw or so and more so focuse on the suspension and fats at the back and some brakes that actualy work

whats the cost involved to get me at 350rwkw not including the engine its self


your tuner will have alot to do with your final power output..

some people are pulling big power from cheap engines and some blokes pour more money in for the same power but thats all about reliability..

you can only choose 2 of the 3.....
cheap reliable powerful
not all 3..

minimum youll need is :
valve springs $$$
3.5 inch dump and exhaust$$$$$$$$
alot more boost$$
an excellent gearbox and diff $$$$$$$$$(not the speghetti diff im sure your running at the moment)
bigger intercooler and pipework$$$$$$$


The Borg Warner 78 in an E-Series is stronger than the M78 & M86 in a B-Series. You will not need a stronger diff. HiBoost has run a 9.6@143MPH on an E-Series diff.

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:39 pm 
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67RCE wrote:
104ord wrote:
paulos wrote:
thanks for a decent answer

thats why i figured i would do all the things u would do to an n/a car so i had power with out having to use extreme amounts of boost, coz my cars 100kg's less is that going to make traction a bigger problem or hav i got an edge against the ba xr6t?

once i have the engine i will probs stop the power at 350rwkw or so and more so focuse on the suspension and fats at the back and some brakes that actualy work

whats the cost involved to get me at 350rwkw not including the engine its self


your tuner will have alot to do with your final power output..

some people are pulling big power from cheap engines and some blokes pour more money in for the same power but thats all about reliability..

you can only choose 2 of the 3.....
cheap reliable powerful
not all 3..

minimum youll need is :
valve springs $$$
3.5 inch dump and exhaust$$$$$$$$
alot more boost$$
an excellent gearbox and diff $$$$$$$$$(not the speghetti diff im sure your running at the moment)
bigger intercooler and pipework$$$$$$$


The Borg Warner 78 in an E-Series is stronger than the M78 & M86 in a B-Series. You will not need a stronger diff. HiBoost has run a 9.6@143MPH on an E-Series diff.



your a liar ....................anyway...
ok deal, he keep the open diff in there for all i care.... if it is an lsd it wont be fter 350rwkw..
who said they arent stronger than the b series diffs... thats why mine is built you oxygen theif...lol
ive turned 2 E series diffs into a metal slurry

 

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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:30 pm 
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There is different ways of tuning a car also, a lot of the cars you hear of with 350rwkw are tuned specifically for dyno numbers, big boost coming on and making power up top, where as a "grip tune" will deliver a smoother more radius'd torque curve that will be lower on top end rwkw but in the real world of the drag strip it is possible for a lower kw better tuned car to run a much better time. as EBXR8380 has said there is a lot of mods to get the turbo spooling quicker at lower revs allowing you to "drive" the car off the line and torque your way down the track rather then everything coming on in a flurry and starting to damage the driveline in the process. (I'm talking street cars here, not drag only with massive convertors and low gears, different kettle of fish altogether).

On a side note, for the $6500 your about to spend on the barra engine you could have a well sorted and tuned turbo set up on your original motor that will make more power then the XR6T engine in standard trim, as it will be when you first put it in, you will have to spend a lot more money afterwards to make the sort of power you are after. just a thought.

If you really want some honest feedback head to your local drag strip, every time there is a street meet anywhere in Aus nowadays there will be a XR6T running, ask the guys out there doing the numbers what combo they have and roughly how much it cost them, research is free where as you can pay for a rushed decision for years...

let us know how you go.

 

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104ord wrote:
67RCE wrote:
104ord wrote:
paulos wrote:
thanks for a decent answer

thats why i figured i would do all the things u would do to an n/a car so i had power with out having to use extreme amounts of boost, coz my cars 100kg's less is that going to make traction a bigger problem or hav i got an edge against the ba xr6t?

once i have the engine i will probs stop the power at 350rwkw or so and more so focuse on the suspension and fats at the back and some brakes that actualy work

whats the cost involved to get me at 350rwkw not including the engine its self


your tuner will have alot to do with your final power output..

some people are pulling big power from cheap engines and some blokes pour more money in for the same power but thats all about reliability..

you can only choose 2 of the 3.....
cheap reliable powerful
not all 3..

minimum youll need is :
valve springs $$$
3.5 inch dump and exhaust$$$$$$$$
alot more boost$$
an excellent gearbox and diff $$$$$$$$$(not the speghetti diff im sure your running at the moment)
bigger intercooler and pipework$$$$$$$


The Borg Warner 78 in an E-Series is stronger than the M78 & M86 in a B-Series. You will not need a stronger diff. HiBoost has run a 9.6@143MPH on an E-Series diff.



your a liar ....................anyway...
ok deal, he keep the open diff in there for all i care.... if it is an lsd it wont be fter 350rwkw..
who said they arent stronger than the b series diffs... thats why mine is built you oxygen theif...lol
ive turned 2 E series diffs into a metal slurry


So naming the car, Driver and times make me a liar and oxygen thief hey? Sinan (HiBoost) has run a 9.6@143mph in an EL Falcon built by Rajab Racing. This time was run using an EL GLi 3.08:1 diff with a Mini-Spool. Also, this was run at Heathcoate Raceway. The axles used were, AFAIK, factory EL GLi axles.

Facts good enough to prove you wrong?

 

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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:01 am 
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i was recomended the ba xr6t rather than turboing my engine because my engine would need a replacment of so many diffrent things coz its hit the 200k mark

and the turbo start price is 5grand from him ( altho thats with complete reliablity ) and doesnt the barra have more potential?

i would much rather have drvability than a drag time and a dyno reading,

and yer i cant ask any one at drag strips about s**t because we dont have one here

what sort of figures would i be getting from a kit worth 6,500 grand do u think, coz i was told something more like 250rwkw, but not all that reliable.

pretty much in the end im going for something that has the most potential and a awsome 0-100time

 

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Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:15 am 
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67RCE wrote:
So naming the car, Driver and times make me a liar and oxygen thief hey? Sinan (HiBoost) has run a 9.6@143mph in an EL Falcon built by Rajab Racing. This time was run using an EL GLi 3.08:1 diff with a Mini-Spool. Also, this was run at Heathcoate Raceway. The axles used were, AFAIK, factory EL GLi axles.

Facts good enough to prove you wrong?

that diff would have some tricks in it, Rajab haven't played with borgys in VLs for f**k years not to learn a trick or too.

 

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