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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:56 am 
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i know about the search function, ive searched through the entire 'forced induction' section a few times now, its just that most of the time people are talking about the 5sp having probs and such, and i wasnt sure if different diff ratios might be able to handle boost better than others.

maybe a sticky topic covering all of this info would be best - because, sure there's a lot of info in this section BUT finding it all can be tedious. a simple topic which has Q&A would solve a lot of probs.

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if you want a ecu for less than $400, then forget the cost of bigger injctors and pump, cos a bosch 044 pump will cost you $320 and injectors $600


im not going for the high flowing/hp pumps, i was thinking of the walbro 255 (or whatever its named), and 32lb injectors. just to make sure the engine doesnt run too lean.

since posting my last post, i have managed to get a hold of a mate who knows his stuff about turbos...
he told me im better off getting a 'piggyback' chip for my ecu that has been pre-programmed for the EB2/ED engine
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:10 am 
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Read this book...Or similar by Corky Bell....
http://www.amazon.com/Turbochargers-HP4 ... 32-2279826

 

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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:11 pm 
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personally, i would not go for a piggyback ecu for the ford setup, they work ok in a situation where the std ecu is designed and programmed to read boost already, whereas, with the piggyback, you will be relying on the ford map sensor setup to read boost pressure, and trying to use the piggyback to alter the signals afterwards... id go for a stand alone management, as others have said, that an ample EMS 4420 or whatever the base model number is costs about $1k, and work well in the ford..

it doesnt matter what size squirters you want, they all seem to start around the $100 per injector mark, unless you buy from the states...

in using a piggyback setup, you will be limited to using low current/high impedance injectors... due to the std injector drivers in the eec, also, you will be limited to running in batch fire (group fired) injection mode, since eec only has two injector drivers, much better buying standalone which has 6 injector drivers and running sequential injection...

 

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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:42 pm 
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ebs_4l wrote:
personally, i would not go for a piggyback ecu for the ford setup, they work ok in a situation where the std ecu is designed and programmed to read boost already, whereas, with the piggyback, you will be relying on the ford map sensor setup to read boost pressure, and trying to use the piggyback to alter the signals afterwards... id go for a stand alone management, as others have said, that an ample EMS 4420 or whatever the base model number is costs about $1k, and work well in the ford..

it doesnt matter what size squirters you want, they all seem to start around the $100 per injector mark, unless you buy from the states...

in using a piggyback setup, you will be limited to using low current/high impedance injectors... due to the std injector drivers in the eec, also, you will be limited to running in batch fire (group fired) injection mode, since eec only has two injector drivers, much better buying standalone which has 6 injector drivers and running sequential injection...


ok thanks for that info :)
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:10 pm 
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400 for a wolf 3d is a bargain! snap it up.
Your auto will cope, so will your diff
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:15 pm 
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eed-250 wrote:
400 for a wolf 3d is a bargain! snap it up.
Your auto will cope, so will your diff


yeah i thought so too :P but its been programmed for a 400hp rx7. so i dont know if it will be compatible due to it being rotary

and thats for the auto & diff info. thats made my life easier
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:31 pm 
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it all dpeneds how you drive it though, if you smash the auto from N to D and do burnouts everywhere then its not gonna hold up :P

I think being from an RX7 it shouldnt matter, the unit will work, you probably need to make up a wiring harness or buy an adapter or sometthing to plug into the ford then get it dyno tuned. It wont run with the rx7 program.
check out the wolf website to see what you need!
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:56 pm 
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eed-250 wrote:
it all dpeneds how you drive it though, if you smash the auto from N to D and do burnouts everywhere then its not gonna hold up :P

I think being from an RX7 it shouldnt matter, the unit will work, you probably need to make up a wiring harness or buy an adapter or sometthing to plug into the ford then get it dyno tuned. It wont run with the rx7 program.
check out the wolf website to see what you need!


i learnt my lesson with the old 4wd (supercharged V8 land rover discovery, chipped, tuned, and exhaust). the auto box went bang, and that was just normal driving, but it was caused by N to D..$3500 later :(

haha and im not risking a N to D in my ute. column shift auto.

ok. the adapter would be the 'universal' one...im guessing
and i remember there's a topic here for Wolf3d maps. so if i put one of those into it then i wouldnt have to dyno tune it so much.

how much is a dyno tune these days?

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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:36 pm 
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from geoff at snort

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gday again matt, i will be happy to call you to discuss the options with you in full detail, we suggest 6-9psi max with the standard injectors ( 200rwkw) ,,, we can supply piggyback ecu if required again there is a few options we can offer in this area

have enclosed a dyno sheet taken from our TEST PIG

this car 1989 ea was purchased from the wreaking yard for 500.00,,,,,,
300,000kms on the clock and had never been started in 4 years!!!!!!!
we replaced the spark plugs ( standard reduced gap slightly ) leads,
distributor cap, and we removed the injectors and had them cleaned that's
it!!!
here is the results running 10psi boost @ stage 2 kit fitted and produced
204.7rwkw with standard fuel pump,ecu,injectors with the same regulator we supply with these kits!!!!

although I always suggest to replace the fuel pump for best results with at
least a walbro 255ltr/hr fuel pump this test result is to show worst case
and the results are there as can be seen

regards geoff carter
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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:19 pm 
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Dude, seriously, so many people have bought snort kits and realised only when they got them that there is alot more to spend.
Not saying his kits are bad, not at all, just saying that they aren't complete.
Comments like this however...
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here is the results running 10psi boost @ stage 2 kit fitted and produced
204.7rwkw with standard fuel pump,ecu,injectors with the same regulator we supply with these kits!!!!
although I always suggest to replace the fuel pump for best results with at
least a walbro 255ltr/hr fuel pump this test result is to show worst case
and the results are there as can be seen

... Are pretty misleading.
If you honestly think you can make that sort of power reliably with nothing but a 12:1 fuel reg and a walbro, you are dreaming.
Get the kit, but bank on another 5k for an ECU, injectors, fuel pump, cooler piping, exhaust, and MOST importantly, tuning!

 

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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:09 pm 
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Just reading through this thread, it's interesting to see how much has changed tocchi!
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