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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:07 pm 
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i dont think you will get your car turbo/supercharged reliably under 5g ..

the cheapest would be centrifugal kit..
even then with any added things like tuning,intercooling exhaust ect..
things add up fast..
then you will have problems with how much can your 15 year old gearbox and diff handle..
then you have a car that accelerates fast but now you need to stop it..
also how many kms are on your engine?? if its an old engine with alot of kms a poor tune will kill it fast...

so in my opinion be prepaired to spend atleast 8 to 10g

I disagree,
A snort entry level turbo kit is $3000
Fuel pump and regulator say $500
J3 with tune $200
Odds and ends and dyno run around $1000
Thats assuming you could do it all yourself
As for it being reliable though, yeah itd be pushing it for $5K


Snort will be doing the M112 kits soon for $3000 aswell so itll be the same as turbo with the other odds and ends

If youre good at welding and stuff, you could get an M90 or M112 out of the USA for $200 or so, fabricate everything yourself and have it in and going for <$2000.



you forget that the snort kit still needs some work in regards to pipework, intercooler mounting ect not to mention other modifications like exhaust, then i would like to see a j3 suplied and dyno tuned for $200.. :lol: :lol:
just for a decent dyno tune your looking at between $400 and $700..not to mention any little problems that will pop up..

also snort supercharger kits are now $3900 but i cant say how complete the kits are??
maybe dansedgli could shed a little light on that subject considering he has just fitted a snort m112 kit....


Ah ok, my bad I thought they were good to go except for fuel system upgrade. $200 for a tune, it says theyll supply them for $100 blank, and $100/tune thereafter after you provide a dyno printout for them to work on. As I said it wouldnt be reliable and it wouldnt be flash and it prbably wouldnt be all that safe on the stock engine either but it definately could be done. Im not claiming to be an expert at it you and a lot of others here have actually done it but that was pretty much the info I ended up with when I looked into it for mine.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:13 pm 
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TROYMAN wrote:
also snort supercharger kits are now $3900 but i cant say how complete the kits are??
maybe dansedgli could shed a little light on that subject considering he has just fitted a snort m112 kit....


The kits are complete for an E series.

I had to use a flash tuner and 2 bar map sensor to get around the fuel cut and I wanted to use bigger injectors instead of a rising rate reg.

My kit was $2500 because it was his development kit. New kits are $3999 or thereabouts.
Exhaust, extractors $1100
42lb injectors - $350
Flash tuning, 2 bar map sensor and plug - $1530

$5480 all up. $7k for a new kit.

PS if you havent done it, you have NFI.

lol at the thought of using a mail order tune for a turbo E series.

Good luck doing a power run on a dyno at full load with no tuning at all so you can send a dyno sheet to TI performance.

The AU pinged at 0psi with hardly any throttle. :wink:
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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:46 am 
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Under $5k is easily doable, you just need to use 2nd hand parts or be very DIY inclined.
My first turbo build ran in under $2k.

I've upgraded parts over time and i'm still under $5k on the turbo setup.

93_eb_fairmont wrote:
If youre good at welding and stuff, you could get an M90 or M112 out of the USA for $200 or so, fabricate everything yourself and have it in and going for <$2000.


LOL @ this, M112's in the US are generally ATLEAST $500 used, and thats IF you can get one sent here (most people can't be stuffed)

IMO: if you're serious, either a snort M112 kit @ ~8psi ish or a 2nd hand Turbo kit.
$5k is plenty for a 2nd hand kit, you should be able to get something pretty much complete for that kinda cash.

 

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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:08 am 
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How much was the initial fitting and tuning of your GRA setup though?

It cost me $1600 to get a 2nd hand converter and mixer (which I got for free) fitted to the maverick with a tank and lines. I got it done when it was NA so I could say it doesnt count but the turbo wouldnt have worked without it.
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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:37 am 
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$1100.

car was purchased already on LPG.

but these days Petrol can be done cheap too.

Fuel Reg + J3
if you're after more add a pump.

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:52 am 
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Plese correct me if im wrong. :) But I was told by Geoff from Snort that the standed ECU will cope with the stage 3 (?) kit at 8psi or less. That was what I was going to do until recently. :wink:
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:07 pm 
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Yeah it can as long as you have the rising rate reg.
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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:37 pm 
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my tuner still is against superchargers, recomends turboing my car and tunning for 0-100

he says that the modern turbos dont take long to spool up and produce more off the line power than the supercharger any one agree with this?

my tuner also does a turbo kit which is exactly 5grand dyno tuned new parts, and intercooled

is there any way to get past the high compression i have to turbo my car or streghten it to handle the compression????

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:47 pm 
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Hat kind of turbo, manifold and fuel management system do you get for that?
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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:03 pm 
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im finding out tomro

if this is true about the turbos having better off the line performance what do superhcargers have against turbos apart from mabye reliability

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:24 pm 
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Google how turbo's and superchargers work.

A turbo that spools instantly like my supercharger is going to be pretty small.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:27 pm 
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Only way to get quick off the line with a turbo is to sit there spooling it up. Buy the time you've got boost, supercharger guy will be gone.

Also it'll be much harsher on drive line components.

 

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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:33 pm 
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i already know how both work and how the diffrent chargers work, which is why i picked out the twin screw to begin with because it seems to be the best of both worlds

i guess a small turbo is what i would be after then as i dont drive ovr say 110

 

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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:46 pm 
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paulos wrote:
i guess a small turbo is what i would be after then as i dont drive ovr say 110

you should be selecting a super/turbo charger to suit the usable revv range you want to use it. has very little to do with speed and more like what rpm you come on boost or top out etc.

if you want quick 0-100 and dont go over that then get a 4.11:1 diff.......

 

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 Post subject: Re: supercharger
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:28 pm 
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interesting subject. Good luck with it all.

 

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