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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:48 pm 
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Yeh, i believe the raptor is the best bang for your buck
I still dont know if i want to spend the money and get the w2a
do you know of anyone that does a 3inch exhaust for xr6's


You dont need to spend up to get the w2a kit if you dont want to, as long as your happy with about 220rwkw. It will come down to the safety of your tune during hotter months. These kits if pushed HARD can suffer from heat soak and that reduces power and can cause detonation in your engine if it isnt tuned correctly.

If you were to do a w2a kit, you'll be not only be getting more power, but also reliable power what ever the ambient temperature. There will be less chance for heat soak, detonation in fuel, and you have it all under the bonnet.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:54 pm 
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You dont need to spend up to get the w2a kit if you dont want to, as long as your happy with about 220rwkw. It will come down to the safety of your tune during hotter months. These kits if pushed HARD can suffer from heat soak and that reduces power and can cause detonation in your engine if it isnt tuned correctly.

If you were to do a w2a kit, you'll be not only be getting more power, but also reliable power what ever the ambient temperature. There will be less chance for heat soak, detonation in fuel, and you have it all under the bonnet.


Yeah i might get the w2a, i like the sound of reliable power
Whats the deal with adding ice to the w2a ?
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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 5:58 pm 
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You dont need to spend up to get the w2a kit if you dont want to, as long as your happy with about 220rwkw. It will come down to the safety of your tune during hotter months. These kits if pushed HARD can suffer from heat soak and that reduces power and can cause detonation in your engine if it isnt tuned correctly.

If you were to do a w2a kit, you'll be not only be getting more power, but also reliable power what ever the ambient temperature. There will be less chance for heat soak, detonation in fuel, and you have it all under the bonnet.


Yeah i might get the w2a, i like the sound of reliable power
Whats the deal with adding ice to the w2a ?


those that have the added ice tray do this for drag racing mainly. This can aid them to turn the boost and timing up on their cars to run quicker times. Basically, the colder the air, the denser it is, the denser it is, the power you can make. Heat is the enemy of power. Have cold air entering the engine, and you can afford to add more timing which in turn will increase more power.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:05 pm 
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now i am catching onto the whole notion of cold air
thanks for the useful easy to understand info :)

by any chance do you know of some good 3inch exhausts for xr6's ?
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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:08 pm 
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i dont know if there is a 3" off the shelf system available.. but i had one custom made for my ed using redback muflers...
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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:10 pm 
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now i am catching onto the whole notion of cold air
thanks for the useful easy to understand info :)

by any chance do you know of some good 3inch exhausts for xr6's ?


not in your area I dont. My advice it look on ebay as Troy has said for a deal or check out your local exhaust shop and ask them. Cheaper brands like Redback are affordable and made from mild steel and will certainly to the job of a Raptor.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:14 pm 
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yeah i got a set of pacemaker comp extractors just need the rest now
yeah i might keep my on ebay, hopefully somehting comes up
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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:25 pm 
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Any exhaust shop will do a 3inch system for you. Just call a few or drop in and compare prices/products.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:33 pm 
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Any exhaust shop will do a 3inch system for you. Just call a few or drop in and compare prices/products.

Recommend any shops North of Brisbane heading towards Kalangur - Caboolture ?
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:56 am 
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shav wrote:
ToxicAdam wrote:
Yeh, i believe the raptor is the best bang for your buck
I still dont know if i want to spend the money and get the w2a
do you know of anyone that does a 3inch exhaust for xr6's


You dont need to spend up to get the w2a kit if you dont want to, as long as your happy with about 220rwkw. It will come down to the safety of your tune during hotter months. These kits if pushed HARD can suffer from heat soak and that reduces power and can cause detonation in your engine if it isnt tuned correctly.

If you were to do a w2a kit, you'll be not only be getting more power, but also reliable power what ever the ambient temperature. There will be less chance for heat soak, detonation in fuel, and you have it all under the bonnet.

Dude i'm running a 13lb pulley in traffic with no worries at all untuned.
Don't get hot don't ping just goes good.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
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Hey cooky, while I cant speak for your setup, I know with mine on just a 7psi pulley in traffic, I can feel the heat reduce power. Maybe with your 13lb pulley you may not feel it as much, but I definitely do with mine. I cant explain how. BUt if you have any ideas on why, Id be keen to know.

I'll leave it up to the OP to take the course he wants.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:14 am 
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Dude wrap your headers to the max.
Get an 82 degree thermostat.
The inlet on the blower that accepts the head breather use it as another air inlet,i run a filter right beside the air con line with a sleeved vent to it so it pulls a little cool air in through the head unit.
Every little bit helps man.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:23 am 
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Thanks Cooky. Im gonna run ACL heat shield over the headers very soon. I think it needs it regardless. The engine bay is far too hot for my liking as it is.

Do you have a pick of your setup you are describing for me to look at?

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:29 am 
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I's wrap them as well Shav.
No pics but it's not hard to do if you understand what you R trying to doo.
82 degree thermostat is a must do as well.

 

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 Post subject: Re: Water to Air intercoolers
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:43 am 
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ToxicAdam wrote:
JoeXR6 wrote:
Any exhaust shop will do a 3inch system for you. Just call a few or drop in and compare prices/products.

Recommend any shops North of Brisbane heading towards Kalangur - Caboolture ?


Not really, I live westside. I'm aware of Rob Bliss at Geebung, and there's one at Brendale who are failry performance oriented, which is closer to you. Not sure of the name. There would be a few round your area.

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Hey cooky, while I cant speak for your setup, I know with mine on just a 7psi pulley in traffic, I can feel the heat reduce power. Maybe with your 13lb pulley you may not feel it as much, but I definitely do with mine. I cant explain how. BUt if you have any ideas on why, Id be keen to know.

I'll leave it up to the OP to take the course he wants.


Non-intercooled centrifugal blowers will definately suffer heat soak, despite venting, etc (which as cooky said does help). They're cooler than turbos, which use hot exhaust to spin them, but there's no getting past a hot engine bay putting heat into the blower/intake pipework/inlet manifold....they'll always get warmer as an engine reaches operating temp, particularly in traffic.

In addition boost creates heat so the more you pulley it up, the hotter it gets. Be it turbo or supercharged, compressing the air will also heat that air, potentially causing pinging, and a power drop.

I notice a significant difference on my engine between a cold day, when its driven freely, or when it sits for ages in traffic (really bogs down and loses throttle response and power). I've seen the difference across 3 years of driving my car non-intercooled. Intercooling (particularly water/air) is the best way around this!

Joe

 

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