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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:39 pm 
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atm i drive a 4.0l but next project thinkin of a 5.0l.
Just wondering how hard it is to get 12s out of a windsor, if i went to a 347 what sort of power n times am i looking at.
Most likely going in sum sort of el or ef.

 

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:49 pm 
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have a read through xh5ltwepn's HEADS AND CAM thread, with a set of stickys and diff ratio change that should get you there. looks like somone has lots of reading ahead :)

oh, and thats with the lil old 5ltr

 

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:52 pm 
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ok thanx for ya help mate, yer i dont mind abit of reading especially on here.
Also does ne 1 no if they make sum sort of high rise manifold for 5.0ls or ne manifolds that run a top mount throttle body?

 

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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:08 pm 
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gibbo wrote:
ok thanx for ya help mate, yer i dont mind abit of reading especially on here.
Also does ne 1 no if they make sum sort of high rise manifold for 5.0ls or ne manifolds that run a top mount throttle body?



all of the 5L manifold interchange, so you could run any of the aftermaket 'high rise :roll: ' manifolds. my question is why?

 

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:58 am 
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i no it sounds like abit of a wank, but just wondering if there was an efi manifold that u could run in a carby style but with a throttle body on the top n hav the filter out the bonnet?

 

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:58 am 
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look on the summit website www.summitracing.com

pretty sure I've seen them on there

 

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:47 am 
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Edelbrock Super Victor EFI is what you are looking for, it is available in a full kit with injector rails.

HOWEVER you will lose most of your low down torque, especially on an otherwise standard 5.0L
We have one on a 363ci Windsor, turning to 8200rpm. I dare say you will also need an aftermarket ECU such as Haltech, Autronics or Motec.

 

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:59 pm 
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is the 363ci a standard 302 stroked package?

 

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:48 pm 
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Nope, it is the biggest you can go, and i hope you have deep pockets for such a stroker kit.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:17 pm 
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so what r they worth n where do i get 1 which i doubt i will but jus curious. i was lookin at the scat packs from the states n they were under a grand for the 347ci.

 

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:34 pm 
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The stroker kit is cheap. Machining and assembly and labour will hurt you. Plus if you go 363, i would reccomend a DART block and there is 3500 straight up. Allow 12-25k for a 363. That is my opinion.
I am building a 427 Windsor based 351, have spent 16k so far and assembly hasnt even started yet. Have be told to put aside another 10k to get it running. Then there is tuning and strengthening the driveline, and the rest of the car will need some structural changes as well to cope with the torque.
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:16 pm 
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TerroristGHIA wrote:
The stroker kit is cheap. Machining and assembly and labour will hurt you. Plus if you go 363, i would reccomend a DART block and there is 3500 straight up. Allow 12-25k for a 363. That is my opinion.
I am building a 427 Windsor based 351, have spent 16k so far and assembly hasnt even started yet. Have be told to put aside another 10k to get it running. Then there is tuning and strengthening the driveline, and the rest of the car will need some structural changes as well to cope with the torque.
Just my 2c
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you must work damn hard!.. lol.. its going to be great once you have finished with her.. if ever she's finished!.. :lol:

 

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:15 pm 
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gibbo wrote:
i no it sounds like abit of a wank, but just wondering if there was an efi manifold that u could run in a carby style but with a throttle body on the top n hav the filter out the bonnet?



there are plenty of of EFI TBs that use the holley sqaure bore patern. and they'll bolt to any of the aftermarket manifolds using the patern.

 

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:28 pm 
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so what r they worth n where do i get 1 which i doubt i will but jus curious. i was lookin at the scat packs from the states n they were under a grand for the 347ci.


Engine article is here:
http://www.a1hiperformance.com/docs/tec ... ?artNum=67

All up that build would be approximately $30,000. Not including the Motec M800, tuning or the fuel system to go with it.

The Scat kits using the cast crank and basic pistons can be picked up here in Australia for about $1600 or so, it isn't worth trying to import them yourself. But as mentioned above getting the stroker kit is the easy part, getting it to fit is a whole lot more work.

 

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