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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:25 am 
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:35 am 
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Not that surprising. 1.7 rockers help.
Goes to show how much the E7s hold them back.

 

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:04 am 
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remembering that its running a carby.. thats probably not unfeasable.. would be interesting to see the same test done with other alloy heads in the same class.. trickflow, edelbrock etc just for comparison..

 

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:17 pm 
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mitchg911 wrote:
remembering that its running a carby.. thats probably not unfeasable.. would be interesting to see the same test done with other alloy heads in the same class.. trickflow, edelbrock etc just for comparison..
Hi Fella's,
Could that ( 400hp with stock cam) be done with the GT40P head's,in a ED 5.0L? and what would you have to do to achieve it?, any advice i'de love to hear it!!.
Cheers Jason. :D
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:18 pm 
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mitchg911 wrote:
remembering that its running a carby.. thats probably not unfeasable.. would be interesting to see the same test done with other alloy heads in the same class.. trickflow, edelbrock etc just for comparison..



I've got an article here some where that has a 400hp EFI 302 running the stock cam.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:47 pm 
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Hi Fella's,
Could that ( 400hp with stock cam) be done with the GT40P head's,in a ED 5.0L? and what would you have to do to achieve it?, any advice i'de love to hear it!!.
Cheers Jason. :D


The quick answer is......No!!

 

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:51 pm 
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A supercharger.. Which would probably end up being cheaper as well.

 

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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:34 am 
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Impressive, but the wording "stock cam" is a bit of a misnomer when using 1.7 rockers as that changes the cam timing so it's not really running a "stock cam" per say :D
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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:40 pm 
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misnomer... maybe, but its still the stock cam regardless of what ratio rockers you run

 

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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:20 pm 
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xr8boy wrote:
misnomer... maybe, but its still the stock cam regardless of what ratio rockers you run


agreed it's still the same camshaft that ford put in the engine
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:03 am 
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tickford_6 wrote:
mitchg911 wrote:
remembering that its running a carby.. thats probably not unfeasable.. would be interesting to see the same test done with other alloy heads in the same class.. trickflow, edelbrock etc just for comparison..



I've got an article here some where that has a 400hp EFI 302 running the stock cam.




only reason i commented about the carby is due to the much bigger shorter runners than that of say a HO manifold...
what intake etc was the EFI one running?

 

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:31 pm 
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ozrunner wrote:
Impressive, but the wording "stock cam" is a bit of a misnomer when using 1.7 rockers as that changes the cam timing so it's not really running a "stock cam" per say :D


Rocker ratio's change lift not timing. But since most advertised duration is at 0.050" then duration might change slightly with a larger ratio set of rockers, but only slightly.
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ozrunner wrote:
Impressive, but the wording "stock cam" is a bit of a misnomer when using 1.7 rockers as that changes the cam timing so it's not really running a "stock cam" per say :D

You cant change cam timing with a rocker ratio change you need an adjustable,multi keyway timing set to change it.And even if you did advance or retard the cam it is most definitely still a stock cam.

 

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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:19 pm 
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mitchg911 wrote:
tickford_6 wrote:
mitchg911 wrote:
remembering that its running a carby.. thats probably not unfeasable.. would be interesting to see the same test done with other alloy heads in the same class.. trickflow, edelbrock etc just for comparison..



I've got an article here some where that has a 400hp EFI 302 running the stock cam.




only reason i commented about the carby is due to the much bigger shorter runners than that of say a HO manifold...
what intake etc was the EFI one running?


I found the article, to correct the power figure first, it was 372hp @ 6100rpm peak torque was 361lb/ft @ 4700rpm.


It was based on a 91' mustang GT engine, stock running E7TE heads and HO manifold, the only add on was a set of kooks 1 5/8inch 4into1 headers because thats what the dyno operater had at the time. ECU was an A9L and coil was an MSD blaster3.
baseline dyno runs made 251hp @ 5000rpm and 305lb/ft @ 3600rpm

they went through a bunch of add ons befor testing the full package.

final package was:
rebuilt stock short engine.
c&l maf
edelbrock 70mm TB and EGR spacer
ford 1.7:1 cobra rocker arms
edelbrock performer rpm2 intake
performer rpm heads
A9L ecu with SCT chip for tuning.
24lb injectors.

a comp cams XE270HR cam made 388hp @ 6000 and 374lb/ft @ 5000rpm.
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:12 pm 
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still quite impressive.. interesting that they didnt make 400 even with the cam swap.. i guess its a real compliment to the afr heads


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