Fordmods Logo

engine whistling? 

 

Page 1 of 2 [ 17 posts ] Go to page 1, 2  Next

 
 Post subject: engine whistling?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:34 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 39

Posts: 510

Joined: 4th May 2005

Ride: EL XR8 / GHIA / GT

Location: Wollongong
NSW, Australia

hi all,
anyone ever experienced this before?
hissing/whistling from engine? in rythym with the idle? both when cold and normal temp.
maybe worn or loose belt/s?
EL 5L, pretty sure all belts are original, over 7 years old with 140km.

thanks.

 

_________________

EL II XR8
Pedders Sports Suspension
Pacemaker Exhaust system with Hi-Flow Cats
Tickford / GT Body Kit
Electric Sunroof / Moonroof
FR19 Simmons Wheels
Ghia / GT Interior

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:42 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 36

Posts: 8655

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 37 images

Ride: V8 EF Futura

Location: Adelaide CBD
SA, Australia

Only 1 belt on the engine. 7 years old... i'd replace it even if it wasnt the problem. Nasty business if that lets go and leaves you without power steering, water pump and alternator....

Might be noisy idler pulleys? Can get metal aftermarket replacements from repco... maybe bearings in water pump?

Everything running OK? Not a vacuum leak?

 

_________________

I promise..... I will never die.

Fordmods Administration Group MINOR PUNKED

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:00 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 39

Posts: 510

Joined: 4th May 2005

Ride: EL XR8 / GHIA / GT

Location: Wollongong
NSW, Australia

all is running very well yes.
only problem i have is an occasional rough idle, this comes and goes, i've slowly been replacing all things i can think off to overcome it.
what's it cost to replace the belt you think? just get on original from ford or somthing better aftermarket?
idler pulleys? easy to replace yourself? cost?
thanks.

 

_________________

EL II XR8
Pedders Sports Suspension
Pacemaker Exhaust system with Hi-Flow Cats
Tickford / GT Body Kit
Electric Sunroof / Moonroof
FR19 Simmons Wheels
Ghia / GT Interior

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:07 pm 
Technical Contributor
Offline
User avatar

Age: 30

Posts: 963

Joined: 8th Nov 2004

Gallery: 4 images

Ride: Liberty MY04 4GEN Luxury

Location: Melbourne
VIC, Australia

I had this problem and when i took it in my a service he replaced my belt because it had all cracks through it and was very close to cracking.

 

_________________

www.lukehimself.net

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:08 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 39

Posts: 510

Joined: 4th May 2005

Ride: EL XR8 / GHIA / GT

Location: Wollongong
NSW, Australia

what did he charge you lukey?
ok after that?

 

_________________

EL II XR8
Pedders Sports Suspension
Pacemaker Exhaust system with Hi-Flow Cats
Tickford / GT Body Kit
Electric Sunroof / Moonroof
FR19 Simmons Wheels
Ghia / GT Interior

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:23 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 33

Posts: 927

Joined: 6th Nov 2004

Ride: BA Falcon EGas

Location: Perth
WA, Australia

Turn the engine over manually, by the crank pulley while the car is in neutral. Then you can inspect the belt without having to pull it off. You might have to remove the termos tho.

 

_________________

BA Falcon Futura on EGas. Stock as...

EF 5 speed manual; PH 4480 Pacemaker Headers; 2 1/2" Lukey Mandrel Bent System; Hi Flow Walker Cat; Stage 3 Crow Cam; ChipTorque Chip; 3" Mandrel Bent Intake; K&N Pod Filter; Low Pedders Suspension; 17" EL GT Champagne Rims; RPM Series Clutch

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:37 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Posts: 649

Joined: 20th Mar 2005

Gallery: 2 images

From memory, I had ALL belts replaced on my EB
a while ago and the belt set cost about $60 (parts only).
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:54 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 36

Posts: 8655

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 37 images

Ride: V8 EF Futura

Location: Adelaide CBD
SA, Australia

EB92 wrote:
From memory, I had ALL belts replaced on my EB
a while ago and the belt set cost about $60 (parts only).


EL a differrent kettle of fish.

Personally i would call ford up and get the measurement for the belt. It's a 6 rib belt.... somewhere around 2.8m long as a VERY rough guess. The belt will therefore be a 6pk2800 - or something along those lines (6pk is a 6rib belt, 2800 denotes length in mm but if its a Gates belt it may be in inches).

Then get in touch with CBC bearings or a similar company - the belt will be much cheaper as IIRC FoMoCo charge about $100. CBC charge about $50/60

Idler pulleys are very simple to change - one bolt (13mm?) holds each on. There is one in the top/middle of the engine - just above the water pump. There is also one on the bottom/left of the engine, sort of underneath the battery. They go for about $30 a piece IIRC.

The problem is that the bearings are part of the pulley and can become worn. Same deal with the pulley on the tensioner but you must change the entire tensioner unit if the pulley bearings fail. Cross that bridge if we come to it.

The brand for pulleys is Nuline: http://www.precisionparts.com.au/Pages/ ... ochure.pdf

See page 6 for diagrams etc part# EP017 for the top idler pulley (flat), EP018 for the bottom left (ribbed).

Repco supply these.

But replace the belt first, then see how it goes.

Fingers crossed its not the water pump :) If it is, sprint auto can supply one for about $120... and hopefully you dont break any bolts off when changing it as that took my car off the road for 3 weeks ;)

Cheers
Martin

 

_________________

I promise..... I will never die.

Fordmods Administration Group MINOR PUNKED

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:57 am 
Tyre Shredder
Offline

Age: 32

Posts: 328

Joined: 5th Dec 2004

Ride: EL II XR8

Power: 146 rwkw

Location: Adelaide
SA, Australia

wow i have the same problem. same car too! ford told me its the engine idler pulley.. which one, he said pulley i assumed ther was only one..
how wrong i was..

If i up and gets me one of these idler pulleys from repco, are they same size and so forth ? and is it as simple as undoing a bolt ? I cant really tell which one it is ?

sorry to invade a thread.

 

_________________

EL II XR8 - project powerdyne.
www.modfordclub.proboards101.com
www.mumbo.com.au

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 8:37 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 36

Posts: 8655

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 37 images

Ride: V8 EF Futura

Location: Adelaide CBD
SA, Australia

EFNWIKD6 wrote:
wow i have the same problem. same car too! ford told me its the engine idler pulley.. which one, he said pulley i assumed ther was only one..
how wrong i was..

If i up and gets me one of these idler pulleys from repco, are they same size and so forth ? and is it as simple as undoing a bolt ? I cant really tell which one it is ?

sorry to invade a thread.


EFNWIKD6, dont worry about invading thread, lol.

There are 3 idler pulleys on the EFI windsor engine. See this document:

http://www.precisionparts.com.au/Pages/ ... ochure.pdf

Sepcifically, page 6. There are pulley diagrams on the right hand side of the page. Our engines are the 3rd one down.

There is the flat idler at the top - between alternator and power steering pump. Nuline part EP017 is a direct replacement for this - including the bearing (the bearings are what cause the noise when worn).

There is the ribbed idler at the bottom left - Nuline part EP018 is a direct replacement for this, including the bearing.

Both of these are held on by one bolt each. I think its a 13mm head. Very simple to replace yourself - simply remove the belt from the engine, undo the bolt holding the pulley on and remove. Replace with the new pulleys and put the belt back on.

You will also note a 3rd idler pulley - this is fitted to the automatic belt tensioner. The pulley is not really replacable - you need to replace the entire tensioner unit, which costs around $100 from ford spares. Mr Landau from these forums was providing a billet unit with replacable pulley on an exchange basis but i havent seen or heard from shane in a long time.

The tensioner is used to remove the belt - you will see a square hole in the left hand side of the tensioner unit, place a 3/8th socket in there and rotate the assembly to release tension from the belt. You'll see what i mean when you look at it.

 

_________________

I promise..... I will never die.

Fordmods Administration Group MINOR PUNKED

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:03 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 37

Posts: 651

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 3 images

Ride: falcon V8

Power: 213 rwkw

Location: clayton
VIC, Australia

if your still after a belt the number for it is a 6PK2685 i'm pretty sure the ones from ford are gates brand and going to CBC, Motion Industries, bearing wholesales, BSC, SKF, AWB(south aust),or Statewidebearing should only cost you around the $35 mark. If not PM me i might be able to help.
Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:37 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 39

Posts: 510

Joined: 4th May 2005

Ride: EL XR8 / GHIA / GT

Location: Wollongong
NSW, Australia

thanks martin,
could i get the belt and then if need be the pulleys from a repco in nsw you think?
i'll replace that first, i can see very fine cracks all over it anyway.
what do i undo/loosen to give me enough slack to get the belt off? alternator?
I just need quote the part no. ovo616 quoted?
thanks.

 

_________________

EL II XR8
Pedders Sports Suspension
Pacemaker Exhaust system with Hi-Flow Cats
Tickford / GT Body Kit
Electric Sunroof / Moonroof
FR19 Simmons Wheels
Ghia / GT Interior

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:25 am 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 36

Posts: 8655

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 37 images

Ride: V8 EF Futura

Location: Adelaide CBD
SA, Australia

EL2XR8 wrote:
thanks martin,
could i get the belt and then if need be the pulleys from a repco in nsw you think?
i'll replace that first, i can see very fine cracks all over it anyway.
what do i undo/loosen to give me enough slack to get the belt off? alternator?
I just need quote the part no. ovo616 quoted?
thanks.


Yeah repco will be able to supply a gates belt i think but they are a little expensive for my liking. Most likely, they'll order in a belt from one of the places listed by ovo, mark it up and charge you for having it ordered in.

Yes, the part quoted by Ovo is the belt type you require - a 6pk2685. Its not really a part number, it denotes the number of ribs and the length of the belt in mm.

To loosen the belt, the engine has a special tensioner on it. Look under the alternator, there is a small idler pulley attached to a 'lobe' shaped piece of metal. This lobe is actually spring loaded - it automatically tensions the belt as it wears and stretches.

There is a square hole in the side of this lobe, which takes a 3/8inch socket driver (use a good driver for this job!). Place the driver into this hole and rotate the assembly upwards (pull the handle of the driver clockwise). This will relieve tension on the belt and allow you to remove it.

I promise it will make sense when you look at the tensioner unit on the engine.

To put the new belt on - reverse the procedure. Its a bit easier if you can get a mate to hold the tensioner up whilst you fit the belt.

 

_________________

I promise..... I will never die.

Fordmods Administration Group MINOR PUNKED

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:00 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 39

Posts: 510

Joined: 4th May 2005

Ride: EL XR8 / GHIA / GT

Location: Wollongong
NSW, Australia

thanks martin,
i just picked up a bosch belt for $47 from a local place, it's a 6pk2690, but they said the 5mm extra length wont matter, no belt would be exactly the same length anyway i'd assume?
i'll give it a go tomorrow, hopefully wont take the whole weekend up. haha

 

_________________

EL II XR8
Pedders Sports Suspension
Pacemaker Exhaust system with Hi-Flow Cats
Tickford / GT Body Kit
Electric Sunroof / Moonroof
FR19 Simmons Wheels
Ghia / GT Interior

Top
 Profile  
 
 
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:20 pm 
Getting Side Ways
Offline
User avatar

Age: 36

Posts: 8655

Joined: 5th Nov 2004

Gallery: 37 images

Ride: V8 EF Futura

Location: Adelaide CBD
SA, Australia

EL2XR8 wrote:
thanks martin,
i just picked up a bosch belt for $47 from a local place, it's a 6pk2690, but they said the 5mm extra length wont matter, no belt would be exactly the same length anyway i'd assume?
i'll give it a go tomorrow, hopefully wont take the whole weekend up. haha


Yeah 5mm difference will be fine mate. I have the same problem with blower belts, can never get the same one twice!!

 

_________________

I promise..... I will never die.

Fordmods Administration Group MINOR PUNKED

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:
Sort by  
 Page 1 of 2  [ 17 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

 

 

It is currently Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:45 am All times are UTC + 11 hours

 

 

(c)2014 Total Web Solutions Australia - Australian Web Hosting and Domain Names