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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:30 am 
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well ok i can start
JUST
but it takes forever

i go to start the car in the mornings and it doesnt want to start
it just goes click click click click in the engine bay
taken me sooooooooooo long this morning
but i have found that when the car is warmed up it doesnt do it as bad and i dont have to turn the key a million times just half a million

it trys to wind over 10 years later a tiny bit an then stops an just goes back to clicking again
an then another 10 yrs later another lil whir

i finally got it started this morning
and when did let it run for like 2 mins
an then turned it off
an went to start it again
clicked a couple of times then started
turned it off again
an then first click
vrooomm


wtf is going on with my car :? :? :?
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:46 am 
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ignition barrel maybe? is the realay clicking... scratch thst read thread again.. have you got a breaker bar or a long bar hit the starter to see is starter is not playing up.

fuel?

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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:10 am 
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Its your Battery bro! Battery's don't like the cold too much, and unless there in real good condition the cold kills them super quick. Have you had a couple of cold nights recently up the mountains?
To put it simply your running low in your cold cranking amps. Even if you check the batt in the morning she will still show 11.6 but as soon as you go to crank it BAng straight down to 9/10v = not enough.

You can check your water levels in your batt and if the low FILL WITH DISTILLED WATER ONLY and then pray for warmer weather, or just go grab a newbie.

The reason she starts ok once the engine is warm is that the heat from the engine has transfer into the battery (insert technical dribble here) and picked up your CCA. There is also a bush mechanics trick, that if you get a flat battery and have no other means to start the car, make a small fire then put the battery on the warm coals then after she gets pretty warm (like just able to touch) quickly throw her in the car and bingo!!! instant jump start!!! so to speak.

I don't buy anything less than a 11 plater, there more expensive than a 9 but worth it. Especially if you have your car radio on for long periods with the engine off and s**t like that.

 

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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:18 am 
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Oh yeah and the reason its clicking is you have enough power to engage the starter solenoid but not enough to crank the motor. Ibet it goes
vrrrm click vrrrmm click, then goes clickclickclickclickclick.

Id also say that your starter motor isn't in the best condition either and is taking allot of current to crank over. the brushes are probably fooked. But if your running on a tight budget id deff say just grab the battery, or alternatively pull one (if its in good nick) out of one of your other cars and see how that goes tomorrow morning!

 

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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:43 pm 
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i would say check the cable going to the starter motor is nice and tight first..
otherwise look at trying a new or a known good battery.
or try another starter motor?
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:55 pm 
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FLASH wrote:
Even if you check the batt in the morning she will still show 11.6 but as soon as you go to crank it BAng straight down to 9/10v = not enough.


just to follow up on this, with ignition off, and a multimeter on the battery

100% charge... 12.65+ volts
75% charge..... 12.45 volts
50% charge..... 12.25 volts

anything under 11.90 volts probably wont be enough to start the car. Pull the battery out and fully charge it, and see if it even takes 100% charge, then you can rule it out, or the charging system
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 2:20 pm 
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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 3:32 pm 
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FordFairmont wrote:
FLASH wrote:
Even if you check the batt in the morning she will still show 11.6 but as soon as you go to crank it BAng straight down to 9/10v = not enough.


just to follow up on this, with ignition off, and a multimeter on the battery

100% charge... 12.65+ volts
75% charge..... 12.45 volts
50% charge..... 12.25 volts

anything under 11.90 volts probably wont be enough to start the car. Pull the battery out and fully charge it, and see if it even takes 100% charge, then you can rule it out, or the charging system


I was just using the example of his s**t battery will probably be at 11.6v, which would be plenty to start the car if it holds amps, which it isn't, its just a surface charge.
My 3 month old bosch 13 plater in the turbo car drops too 11.8v (according to my turbo timer which has volts) and just sits there for weeks. Still starts the car every time, and the battery's in the boot.

 

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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:59 pm 
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the figures i gave were testing with ignition off
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:42 am 
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ok guys
thanks for all ur wonderful replys
its not the battery as its near brand new
and its not dying
and i no now its not the cold cus it done it in 30 degree heats 2day
i pulled up at work after lunch
turned it off and went oops forgot to go to the rta an went to start an she clicked bout 15-20 times then went rrr an started to turn so i kept the key on an then she started slowly
weird but yea
so its not the cold then
nor the battery
an i dont run the stereo with the car off and its only stock stereo atm as my stereo isnt in yet


so yeaa
hmmmmm

i was thinking maybe the starters half rooted i dunno
if so im not changin this 1
grrrr bstard of a job :lol:

but if this is the case
are the 6 cylinder 1's the same as the 8's?

cheers folks

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:45 am 
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Ahh another item to the list of why 6's are the best ;)

Yeah sounds like it could be the starter then.

Check your leads though, you could have corrosion or a loose contact. And get under and check the connections on the starter motor too. You might be lucky?

 

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:18 am 
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Check the earth and power leads on your battery and starter motor/block and make sure that they are clean, nice and tight. Simple things first.

My ED was impeccable until we went to Woolies one night and it was snowing heavily and cold. When I tried to start the wagon, it just clicked although it was a new battery and I had a good alternator. Not much fun getting under a Falcon at night in the snow, but found out it was a loose connection.

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:32 am 
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ok ill go over it this arvo and make sure everythings tight
and then try again an see what happens

yea not fun bein broken down in snow
i done that before
and flash yes i no the 6's are the best
i wanna get my black beast up and runnign again :D
of course with your help and any1 else willing to help with a transplant and cpi to mpfi
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:01 pm 
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Let us know how you go.
You and I seem to share the same symptoms other than you actually getting the car started lol

 

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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:40 pm 
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vrblou02 wrote:
ok ill go over it this arvo and make sure everythings tight
and then try again an see what happens

yea not fun bein broken down in snow
i done that before
and flash yes i no the 6's are the best
i wanna get my black beast up and runnign again :D
of course with your help and any1 else willing to help with a transplant and cpi to mpfi
Drifty


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