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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 2:36 pm 
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Just curious, when you go to Ford to get warranty work done, what can they pull out of the comp (au's mainly) in the event they dont want to pay up re: the driving styles used etc?

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:08 pm 
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can't get s**t all. it only stores fault codes.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:13 pm 
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In the E series and AUs I am pretty sure they cant tell s**t, no logging other than fault codes.

However in the BA I am pretty sure there is a data logger. I say that because Ford voided a warranty of a BA GT owner I know. They told him how many times he hit the rev limiter, maximum speed he had travelled etc.

He denied it to them, but he knew they were right.

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:16 pm 
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Agreed. The BA can reportedly tell Ford that an edit has been used as well - also a warranty breaker I believe.

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 6:20 pm 
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Isn't that a bit rich? I mean you can say that you've been to the Northern Territory where they have highways with no limits and whether you hit the rev limiter or not is irrelevant isn't it?

 

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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:33 pm 
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If a tacho indicates safe reves to "redline" as indicated and the engine is factory rev limited and according to their own publicity documents this is to protect the engine from damage, then how the hell can they knock you back otherwise lower the rev limt to what is safe or are FPV scared of being laughed out of town by HSV.
Bad news boys your already walking down that road with the P**s poor service given by the dealers after purchase.
Just one mans opinion, please don't be offended.
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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 8:52 pm 
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They can not knock back warranties if the max revs is equal to or below the EECs rev limiter, but even with the rev limiter you can still over-rev, mainly on downshifts which causes massive valve train problems. The logging is there to protect Ford, and the decision to void warranty would be made using a number of factors, not purely on max rev obtained.


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Bad news boys your already walking down that road with the P**s poor service given by the dealers after purchase.
Just one mans opinion, please don't be offended.


As for piss-poor aftersales service, you obviously haven't dealt with holden recently, I still think ford is better in that regard but they seem to be getting worse.
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 10:56 am 
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ford can check it out but if uve only ever reached maximum revs they cant do s**t... unless its consitant all the time and than its abuse or something i guess... but on E series and AU's its not possible.. im not even sure its possible in a BA
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 7:23 pm 
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A good friend of mine works at the hume plant and reguarly gets to take BA's of all kinds home, and they get warned about the data loggers. Ive heard that there have been atleast 2 sackings from that plant because of extreme abuse of their cars discovered because of the datalogger. If they are a standard equiptment or not Ive got no idea, but they do have the ability

 

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:29 pm 
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Well all of this datatlogger stuff is all fair and well for Ford, but unless i'm mistaken, apart from hitting the limiter in a BA and remembering exactly where it is all the time. It seems like s**t that they could void a warranty because of speed (it shouldn't matter) but there is no redline on the stupid tacho's in the BA's anyway. Sounds lately like Ford are making up more and more excuses for s**t that goes wrong. Not Good at all!!!

But hey, thats just my opinion.

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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 8:57 pm 
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i would have thought that ford and holden would have been using this idea already. i know that the american diesel companys such as cat and cummins have been using this sort of tech for at least 10 years.
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:56 pm 
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i would have thought that ford and holden would have been using this idea already. i know that the american diesel companys such as cat and cummins have been using this sort of tech for at least 10 years.


Add Detroit to the list too, and you will probably find out it is greater than 10yrs for all of them.

The only reason large diesel producing companies bothered is because it sells engines, as those companies produce engines not heavy vehicles, they need to show companies why their engine/electronics are better than the opposition, as the customers want data logging to find out who is a good driver or not, different driving styles can save or loose big money for the heavy vehicle owner. This data logging is often sent back to base without even touching the vehicle.

As for light vehicles being slow getting data logging, there was no point to the extra cost and hassles related to it, in most cases there is still no point other than to play big brother, driving styles do not have the impact on economy as bad as it does in heavy vehicles.

Saying this I am currently researching GPS real-time tracking for a small taxi company (company owns all vehicles, including utes and trucks) that would also like vehicle data logging sent back to base, this may save the company big $$ if they can retrain or remove the bad drivers etc

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:33 pm 
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Do they put 2 and 2 together to discover the ABS light falut often = burnouts?
Is there a way to disable this so the ABS fault isnt detected during a burnout??

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:39 pm 
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Do they put 2 and 2 together to discover the ABS light falut often = burnouts?
Is there a way to disable this so the ABS fault isnt detected during a burnout??


No and yes :lol:

Nah, i think its pretty rich if they try and accuse you of doing burnouts due to an ABS fault. The ABS codes are more along the lines of 'this sensor doesnt work' or 'my ECU is shagged, replace me'.

Yeah if you wanna do burnouts without ABS knowing about it, just pull the ABS fuse.

 

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 5:58 pm 
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regardless of how hard you thrash the car they can't void the warranty because you are driving within the designed limits of the vehicle.
so in this case, the rev limiter and speed limiter are actually working to your advantage by not allowing you to exceed factory specs.
if they try and get out of the warranty work, jump up and down, scream, yell, threaten to go to ford head office in melbourne, basically do whatever it takes cos you're in the right.
they don't have gps so they can't prove you didn't go to NT which means the excessive speed claims are void.
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