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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i can't wait to see the finished product! keep up the good work!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isit possible to use say, an xy or xa balancer off a 250 with the 2 groove pulley ? didn't power steer xb's have an extra bolt on pulley ? you might be able to use that.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No work this weekend -wifes birthday etc..... icon_sad.gif

Good idea about the use of the bolt on pully etc but now looking at the twin "V" pully on the Air Conditioner compressor. Could I run one belt between the water pump, harmonic balancer and compressor. Then run the alternator off the other "V" of the compressor. Need to make up some fancy brackets and adjusters. May have to re-locate the right hand horn from the right side of the engine bay as I will need to get the compressor as low as possible. The altenator - compressor belt will be short but all should fit in. I am putting on extractors so may need to put a heat shield between the alternator and the no. 1 cylinder exhaust - even with the ceramic coating on the extractors.

Ahhhhh next weekend with all this weekends maxed out brownie points I may get in 2 whole days....

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how is your car coming along ? any updates ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All.

The 1963 XL Falcon is progressing well and I have been a bit slack in following up in the forum.

Since last update.
Wiring has progressed well but as you can see from the photos there is still a bit to do. I have installed an immobilizer and central remote locking.

Have finished the body work and have painted the final correct Blue. The rear is ready for a buff and polish. The tail lights have been installed and the rear bumper re-chromed and fitted. The roof will be painted later in the original two tone white.

Removed the complete rear axle assembly. Dismantled and cleaned all components. New wheel bearings and seals as well as new pinion oil seal. The internals appeared to be OK. Took all external components of the diff and brake back plates back to bear metal and etch primed and finished in two pack black epoxy enamel. Rebuilt the brakes but reused the old rear hand brake cable after cleaning and lubing. All new suspension rubbers and a pair of Munroe shock absorbers. Put an extra leaf in the springs and lowered 50mm. Wheels were sandblasted and powdercoated white. New tyres all round 185x80x13.

Rebuilt the steering box with new internals. Replaced the inner lower control arm bushes and anti-sway bar rubbers. Reinstalled the steering column.

Rewired the dash unit, cleaned, polished and reinstalled. Cleaned and checked the radio, got it working sweetly, polished the chrome and reinstalled. STILL NEED THE 6 BUTTONS FOR THE 3 STAR RADIO IF ANYONE SHOULD HAVE THEM.

Cleaned the underside of the body and coated with noise deadening underbody spray followed by two coats of brushed on two pack matt black epoxy enamel.

Have sorted out the driving of the airconditioning compressor. Thanks to the suggestions. Still need to finish off the brackets. Will need to relocate the right hand horn to give room for the compressor. (Alternator and compressor components are only dummy for set up...) Got hold of a nice cast rocker cover. It was already sand blasted so might just give it a coat of clear finish and leave it as is.....

Gear box is now ready to mount to engine.

NEXT.

Picked up a couple of XP heater units on ebay and will build up heater-demister.

Got an XM-MP two speed windscreen wiper and switch. Now need to overhaul and fit.

Picked up another air conditioner evap unit. This is the correct Smiths 1963 aftermarket unit that was fitted to cars of that year.

Then to doors - LHF is finish and painted external. RHF rust cut out. Back door not started....

Will give another update when we are a bit further along......



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here are some additional photos.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What u need now is a 2v head on that 221 , now thats a great little combo for an early bird.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now thats a good ides icon_biggrin.gif . If any one has a donation to a good cause of a 2V head for a 221 I would be very happy. icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a spare 2v head and manifold that have been sitting on the shelf for about 6 years, but i was thinking of using it on a project in the future the hard part is finding a 221 for sale.
What brake set up have you used on your XL did you stick with 4 wheel drums or fit a XP disc brake front end or have u gone for the later x series brakes??
I noticed you have the XL master cylinder so i think the last option is out or else you would have had an XB type on there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Longlivethefalcon.

I was lucky. I thought I had a 170ci or a 200ci and it turned out to be a 221 icon_biggrin.gif

I tend to like the look of XL's on 13" rims - lowered 1.5" to 2". I have therefore kept the original brake setup with skimmed drums, new cylinders and new bonded linings of course. I do have a complete 5 stud disk brake set up for the front that requires 14" rims and then I would need to look at the rear set up.

This wont be a daily driver as I have an XE S-PAC sedan and an XF S-PAC wagon for that.

Lets get it on the road first and see how it performs....
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the 13s as well , my current xm rides on 13'' dragways and is lowered 2'' all round and runs the origional drum brakes.
As for the way they drive with standard brakes well that depends on the nut behind the wheel next to u , i used to drive my Zephyr to the city everyday and that was an experience
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My XP im curently (slowly) restoring atm was a daily driver with standard XP drum brakes.
They worked ok with the 221 it had in it.
(it had the 170 air filter / rocker cover to disguise it as a 170)
They are by no means perfect, but they stop lol
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,

An update after the three day holiday for "Australia Day". Here in Perth we had three days over 41 degrees C.

Starting on the finish and trim of the XL. Spent Friday cleaning and prepairing the boot for painting. Needed to fit "Falcon" script on the rear left and right as well as the stainless steel strips (and clips) so I could paint inside. Also fitted the F A L C O N to the rear. Main reason was to keep the paint inside and not have to mask up the holes. Attached all the clips with Sikaflex 252 after cleaning and pasivate zinc plating. After masking the inner surface was prepared with two coats of etch primer followed by two coats of primer surfacer and finally three coats of the interior Pearl Blue.

Left the petrol tank out so I could stand inside. The petrol tank had previously be finished on the under surfaces with etch primer and Ford Blue engine enamal.

Fitted the tank again using the 252 sealer and then painted the top of the tank pearl blue.

Spent Sunday morning wiring up the tail lights, stop, lights, indicators, number plate light and the fuel gauge sender. (have spare wires for boot light and reversing light under the side cover for later. - maybe)

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http://picasaweb.google.com/westaussiesteve/WestaussiesteveXLFalcon

Regards

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All.

It’s been four weekends since my last confession (err update). That is eight solid days of working on the 1963 XL.

What has been achieved..

Windscreen Wipers. The original ones were vacuum which I was not very fond of so I have upgraded them to electric by installing a 1965 set out of an XP Falcon. The linkage, was much the same but with the electric motor and the two speed switch. I rebushed the two pivots as all the ones I could source were pretty worn, what you would expect for 40 odd years. Bored them out and bushed them with a bronze sleeve. Should last another 40 years…

Heater. I managed to get two 1965 XP heaters on Ebay. Mechanically they were both reasonable but both the heater cores were rotted out. My local radiator repair shop recored one for me. The rest of the heater just needed a clean up. The heater tap I replaced with an after market universal type and after a little cutting and brazing it does the trick. The two air boxes needed a bit of attention. The air inlet for the heater is via the left air box. This I replaced with the XP unit as well as the original XL was not fitted with a heater (or demister) so there was no provision for the heater air. The air box door seals, originally out of foam had crumbled away to nothing. I tried to cut out some nice closed cell foam as replacement but was too difficult. None were available so I drew up the shape and got a cutting die made. This was about $120, and for two seals this was more than I could handle so I made 10 sets and sold them on Ebay for $20 a set. GRIN…

Air Conditioner. I managed to get hold of an original 1964 Smiths under dash air conditioner unit. This I have modified by turning the fan assembly up side down and with some custom built brackets mounted the unit at an angle in the centre in front of the heater unit. It is a tight squeeze but its fits. I will need to put in two small dents in the tunnel to give clearance for the carpet. Will need to also put two condensate drains through the top of the tunnel.

The Pointy End. I have now fitted the two front guards. The trims were cleaned and polished and the “Birds” got a tough of gold. A new radio aerial and the original “New Old Stock” mud flaps were fitted. The front bumper and the park/indicator lights were fitted and connected. The eyebrow stainless steel trims were dressed out and re-polished. The headlight surrounds were a bit pitted but polished up OK. The grill had a few scars but with a few hours work came up looking good. The bumper had suffered a bit of damage on both ends and the chrome was also lifting in places. The bumper therefore required repair and re-chroming. In the attached photos you can see the installation of the air conditioning condenser. Some of the radiator surround needed to be cut away to allow access to the connecting pipes. The center support needed the back edge straightened to allow the condenser to fit. A custom mount under the condenser supports the weight and the top is attached to the radiator support. Still need to mount the air conditioner receiver/dryer and the radiator expansion tank, both in the same location. Will probably relocate the horn relay and use that position for the receiver dryer.

All is just about ready for the fitting of the motor and transmission….

Oh and I still have the doors to do. Been hoping that I might find some with out any rust but all the ones I have seen have MORE rust than mine.

Cheers

Steve



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nicely done dude, nice. Keep up the good work. Heres a pic of my old girl, that I still have but its in pieces now on a second rebiuld. I bought it in 1986, biult it, finnished it in 1990. pulled it apart again in 97, and still that way. Its a 1962 Valiant SV1.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

any progress?
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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this must be close to being finished now?!
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2007 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,


The XL project is getting on but still some way to go. The motor is in but had a lot of problems with the extractors I had. They would not fit and hit the side of the engine compartment. I think they must be of an XT or XW which has the wider engine bay. Still looking for another set of extractors over here in the west.

Rear mount on the gearbox was als a bit of a problem as I had the later gerabox behind the 221 motor. Ended up getting an XW cross member and cutting up the XL and the XW cross member mounts and fabricating it into one unit.

Will put up some more pics soon.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,

First update since last May. I thought I had retired but someone made me an offer I could not refuse, so I have been working "full time" again. Sure messes up your hobbies.....

Got a bit done though. The rear mounting proved a bit of a problem. Had to make a pair of adapter plates, pick up all 4 mounting bolt holes on either side and bolted the XW cross bar to it. Powercoated it black and bolted it up into position. This put the handbrake pivot point back about 100mm from the original position. The result was the rear handbrake cable was about 200mm too long. Turned up an end and silver soldered (SBA245) it on in the correct position and then cut off the excess cable. The remaining problem is the front outer cable is about 50mm short. The inner cable is new so is plent long enough so will probably turn up a solid adapter to extend the outer. See photos below.

Managed to make a set of extractors but had problem with clearance from the starter motor. The solenoid stuck out in the 10 O'clock position. Visited the friendly auto electrics shop and found a end body with the solinoid in the 12 O'clock position and rebuilt the starter motor into this end body. All fitted up well. Photos later.

Anyway weather starting to bet better so will move along a bit faster.

Cheers

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