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XFSteve
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| Hi All. I know that this is an XD, XE, XF forum and I have one of each of those but the current project is puting my XL back on the road after a complete rebuild. I got hold of a motor that was supose to have done only 5K since it was built. I have pulled the head off it and can still see the cross hatch of the hone marks so could be a good one. Anyway, does any one know the stroke of the 170 and 200 motor so I can work out what it is..... Next, what if I put my 144 head back on the this motor which I think is a 170. Bout time I put some photos up of the XF now it is all finished... Regards XFSteve
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Warlock
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| it's not a xd/e/f forum anything ford with a x is welcome we also catter for mustangs as they are just a rebodied falcon anyway
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this is x series mate - all questions are welcome! 
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XFSteve
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| Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Guys,
I am even more confused. This engine has a 3.68 bore and a 3.5 stroke.
Steve
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Might be a 221 cubic inch out of an XT or XW. They have a 3.68 bore, but has a smaller stroke, about 3.4 from memory ???
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XFSteve
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for that. It has hydraulic lifters!!! Does that shed any extra light on it. All six bores are in top condition. Tops of pistons 'wiped clean'. Spent ALL DAY stripping back the block to bare metal. Pull the sump off tomorrow and have a look at the bottom end. Steve
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| Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| how many bolts hold the waterpump on?
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XFSteve
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| There are three bolts that hold on the water pump.
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XFSteve
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| Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Took off the sump and its got 221 on the counterweight. Grin. Probably have a bit more grunt than the tired 144 then. Grin.
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XFSteve
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| Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Got the motor just about sorted out but looking for a Holley Carb to put on the 221. Have a number of the smaller ones but bit small in the bore. Also looking for a flywheel. Motor came out of a auto... Anyone in Perth go a carb or a flywheel for a 221 looking for a good home.
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Spent the long weekend (WA) detailing the engine bay of the 62 XL ready to put in the new 221 when complete. The rest of the car is still in primer waiting for the weather to warm up and dry out... Got to swap out the bell housing yet as the 144 bell housing is not compatiable with the 221 motor.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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that's gonna be smicko when done. i've got a mate down here whose got an XL. in progress atm is a turbo'd 200 motor for it 
i'll see if he has any parts for a 221!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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The 221cu into the XL coming along in leaps and bounds. Got the head back from Sabre Performance Engineering in Briggs Street Welshpool on Friday. Absolute top job. Inserts, New valves, K sleeves, ground on both the cylinder face and the exhaust. Did the job in a week!!!. Head is now painted and on the block. Ended up with new mains and big end shells as you have to lift out the crank to put in a new rear seal. Crank was perfect and still STD. New hydraulic lifters. New timing chain. New harmonic balancer. New water pump. New oil pump. Overhaul petrol pump. Still got the distributor and carburettor of overhaul.
Replaced right hand sill on the body last week end. Lot of laying on your back, grinding and welding. Still got the front and rear of the sill to shape up yet. Did the left before winter (what there was of it). The rest of the body is finished in primer. Bonnet, boot, doors and guards are finished.
I will update in a week or so on the progress. STILL LOOKING FOR A FLYWHEEL and BELL HOUSING. (3 speed manual)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: |
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The 221 is a great little engine!
I had one in my XP sedan, it went very well indeed.
All the best with the rebuild, and great to see another early Falcon being built up.
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Picked up an XT 3 speed and bell housing and fly wheel to hang of the rear of the 221 from Superoo Falcon Spares  . Problem is that the clutch is hydraulic. Got a new slave cylinder, master cylinder, and clutch actuator arm for an XT.
Has anyone ever fitted a Hydraulic master cylinder to an XL. Had a suggesting to use the manual push rod and "bolt" the master cylinder to the top of the steering column. Apart from looking s**T the master cylinder hangs down at 45 degrees(ish). See previous engine bay photo.
Going to pull out the old gear box today and the steering column and "have a look". Will post some pictures of the results.
Cheers
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Changing the XL clutch from Mechanical to Hydraulic
Not a real easy job but more or less straight forward. Had to fabricate a mounting block. Did this out of 6mm plate so I could tap the mounting holes. Bit of welding and grinding. Positioned for welding by using the mounting and bolting from the inside. Welded into place and cleaned up and painted. Modified clutch pedal to incorporate a high tensile bolt out the left side of the pedal arm after removing the old pivot point from the right side of the arm. Lengthened the hydraulic cylinder actuator rod with a thread end and used a rose joint to make the connection. (also gives adjustment.) The hole under the clutch slave cylinder is for the accelerator linkage. The hole above the cyclinder is for the speedo cable - may have to blank and move over a bit... Need to make up some new hydraulic pipes for the brake and clutch and another job finished.
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Before - The mechanical clutch push rod comes out above the steering column.
Locating the mounting block ready to weld.
Finished hydraulic cylinder ready for pipe up.
Under the dash.
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Hi all.
Had a good weekend and got a bit more of the engine bay sorted out. Made both the engine bay wiring harnesses. Currently they are covered in heatshrink but will have a final harness tape wrap to 'look the part'. Fitted the windscreen washer bag but with the electric motor instead of the manual foot operated pump.
Overhauled the carburettor including bead blasting all the parts. Installed carburettor. Overhauled the distributor and installed with new cap, rotor and leads.
Got a pile of bits back from the powdercoater and put on the fan, fitted the battery box, etc...
Waiting on the inner lower control arm bushes and then can put the complete front suspension back together with the new shock absorbers. have already put in the new top ball joints and idler arm bush.
Need to overhaul the steering box next and get it back in so I can get it back on the ground to move it about.
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Very Very nice work here! Keep it up!
My XW has a 221 in it, loves to rev off its head...
Keep up the good work, cant wait to see it all together.
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Been a good weekend.
Sorted out the XT gearbox. Unmantled it and mantled it up again. look good inside. New gaskets, new front seal, new extension housing seal. lots of cleaning, etch prime and paint cast iron bit (Ford engine blue), beadblast aluminium bits, Loctite 'purple' stuff in the joints.
Replaced the inner lower control arm bushes. That is where the clunk was coming from, no rubber left in the LHS. Reinstalled springs minus 1 coil with new Munroe shock absorbers.
Fitted cross brace to the engine compartment with the engine mount brackets.
Thinking of putting a Smiths under dash Air Conditioner. Managed to find 2 under dash units, 2 compressors and 3 condensers in 'the shed'. Next is to work out how to drive the compressor. Thinking of using the old harmonic balancer, fitting in a rigid centre and using the three centre 'puller holes' of the new harmonic balancer to drive it. That would in effect make it a double pulley. The problem is that the A/C drive pully would be direct off the crankshaft, not cush driven via the harmonic balancer pulley. Anybody see any problems with that???
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