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Lukeyson
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It sounds like you're talking about seats without motors. I think there's even a TSB about seats that don't latch properly because they weren't installed in allignment as you say.
But both the passenger and drivers seat from the BF Fairlane are powered, so there's no locking mechanism or lever here. I'll have a closer look now you mention it though.
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Lukeyson
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| jlgw70 wrote: | You have to lift the carpet - loom runs from behind drivers seat along a channel towards the center console (stuck down at 8 points various points - 2 behind each seat and 4 on the center console 'hump') then divides into 2 looms and the main loom carries over the center down behind the front passenger seat where it ends (well one loom anyway!), and connects to the other side loom. The other smaller divided loom runs up the center towards the front dash which has the handbrake etc.
Be aware that the standard XR looms do not have a rear footwell lighting - only the premium XR loom - found this out myself! I ended up running extra wires from the front right hand drivers piller to the center for the rear footwell lighting. |
How about the risers to the left and the right of the dashboard? These bits go to the door connectors, the roof loom on the RHS, and the tweeters on both sides.
Did getting that bit swapped require a dash-out?
I'm hoping to get away without the Dash-Out. A carpet-lift is OK (not completely remove, but it's coming up.) but a dash out will peeve me off a bit, mainly because of all the extra wiring I've run under there for audio boosters, video converters, bluetooth kits, electronic brake boosters etc.
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I got the seats back today that I was having straightened up a bit. Quite an improvement. Not perfect, but better.
The kids seats will hide the worst of what's left for a few years...
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| Quote: | How about the risers to the left and the right of the dashboard? These bits go to the door connectors, the roof loom on the RHS, and the tweeters on both sides.
Did getting that bit swapped require a dash-out?
I'm hoping to get away without the Dash-Out. A carpet-lift is OK (not completely remove, but it's coming up.) but a dash out will peeve me off a bit, mainly because of all the extra wiring I've run under there for audio boosters, video converters, bluetooth kits, electronic brake boosters etc.
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I did mine without pulling out the dash - used builders spaghetti to run down the side of the dash then pulled up the new loom. The only thing I could not do was mount the loom down on the chassis.
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| Lukeyson wrote: | It sounds like you're talking about seats without motors. I think there's even a TSB about seats that don't latch properly because they weren't installed in allignment as you say.
But both the passenger and drivers seat from the BF Fairlane are powered, so there's no locking mechanism or lever here. I'll have a closer look now you mention it though.
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Same with my BA Fairlane which has both electric seats - removed the seats the other day and had to use the same method when re-installing them - but move back and forward using the power switch.
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Lukeyson
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| jlgw70 wrote: |
I did mine without pulling out the dash - used builders spaghetti to run down the side of the dash then pulled up the new loom. The only thing I could not do was mount the loom down on the chassis. |
'Mount on the chassis'?
Do you meant loom fasteners for cable management or something else - like the way the door loom plug clips in?
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep - the cable tie mount - only one so it is no big deal. It mounts onto the chassis right above where the door loom and side bolt is holding the dash in.
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Lukeyson
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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So I take it that the removal procedure for the previous loom was 'pull bloody hard until it pops out' ... ?
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Seats have come up good. And once they get used a bit more hopefully they should bed in better.
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Lukeyson
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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I had a failure today.
I went to put in the Drivers Door Harness, which should have let me put on the Digital Mirrors with Memory since the Mirror Modulator is part of the harness.
So I swapped it all out and was plugging things in, and I noticed that the drivers courtesy light did not come on. Since the passenger site courtesy worked i was curious as to why.
So I stripped it down again and looked at the door spine connector - and blow me down, but the two pins to provide courtesy light power are just not on the drivers side main loom! Bastards.
I figured I'd just live without it, and this time thought to test everything just as I'm about to put it back together - and the Mirror doesn't work at all - despite that fact I'd tested in the lab!
WTF?
So I looked deeper. The wiring for the memory mirror and controller is very simple in the BA manual, so I went to the AU manual originally for my research. There, the power for the controller and mirrors is provided by the same 299 line as the normal mirrors. This power line then back-feeds into the Memory Module under the drivers seat, and via a common line to the two mirrors.
But in the BA, this 299 line has no PIN in the door loom at all! WTF? So that made me scratch my head - this is one obvious difference now between BA and AU memory controllers.
It turns out that the power for Mirrors and MIrror Controller is now supplied BY the Memory Module under the seat, and the Memory Module gets it's power from another line somewhere. Tricky.
So if I had bridged this 299 line from the spine connector to the common line between the mirrors and controller, I could have got it working. But the rest of my life beckoned and I was forced to put my old Loom back in and get back to where I was.
I had done some research awhile ago to see if the Memory Mirrors could be setup without the Memory Module, because all I wanted was dip-on-reverse. That might still be possible, but since I actually HAVE a memory module now, the motivation to reverse engineer that possibility has dropped off....
So Memory Mirrors will now have to wait until the main looms are swapped since there is a new unexpected dependency.
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BF RCM was hooked up to my lab setup today. of all the 'sensor missing' and 'airbag missing' dtc's, the only thing that stirred my attention was DTC C1414.
The workshop manual says 'Incorrect Vehicle ID'. IDS Test says 'Incorrect Module Design Level.'
Basically this is saying that pins 20 and 21 on connector C-189a are not connected correctly.
So let's see. BF with Side Airbags should be IGN. So Pin 20 should be connected to Ignition somehow, and 21 to GND. I have a BA dash loom in the lab, and the BF main looms (that are to eventually be installed) are currently hooked up. So I should be right shouldn't I?
Let's see if I can find out if that's being done right....
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Lukeyson
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Houston, we have a problem
I just found a possible show stopper as a result of that last lab test - and it's from 2 x separate mistakes. Glad I picked them up now.
The first was the connector used on the ARS/RCM. I thought the ARS/RCM VID pins were on the Body Loom connector (c189b) and not the Dash Loom connector (c189a). I think I may have even seen that earlier but still continued with the mistake.
The second mistake was that I thought the dash loom I had was from a BF Mk II Fairlane, and that's because of the part number:
BF2-14K024-A
NOW I know that BF2 is actually the code name for BA Mk II Fairlane!!!! Also explains why there were no YAW or SAS sensor connectors in it. NOW it all makes complete sense.
So C189a on BA Falcons has pin 20 - GND and 21 - None. (BA's are GNN)
But on a BF this requires that pin 20 be IGN and 21 be GND. And you guessed it, my lab setup uses a BA Dash Loom with my BF ARS Module.
Many other connectors let me relocate or insert pins. Now I have to determine if I can do this to the C189a connector.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting read lukey!
Good luck with the rewiring - These ford things are quirky.
Its like how the abs pump has to match the same model as the ecu!
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I just gutted a c189a from my butchered sacrifical loom. An unusual thing it is. There's a Foam insert to separate the pins, and a bright red cover on the front to stop pins from being removed. Thankfully the red cover comes off. I'll take pics at some point if there's interest.
Looks like I can relocate the GND pin from 20 to 21 easy enough, but will need to come up with some way to provide IGN on pin 20. I should be able to take it from pin 12 - which is how the BF loom actually does it.
I'll have a crack at doing this on the lab tomorrow and see how I go.
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| Nicko wrote: | Interesting read lukey!
Good luck with the rewiring - These ford things are quirky.
Its like how the abs pump has to match the same model as the ecu! |
You just mean the BA Bosch 5.3 vs BF Bosch 8.0 there right?
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Just for the record, this is the part prefex/model matrix:
3R23
AY/BA BA Falcon
BAC BA RTV
BF BA Fairlane
BAT BA FPV
BA2 BA II Falcon
BAC2 BA II RTV
BF2 BA II Fairlane
BA2T BA II FPV
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BAF BF Falcon
BAFC BF RTV
BFF BF Fairlane
BAFT BF FPV
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BAF2 BF2 Falcon
BAFC2 BF2 RTV
BFF2 BF2 Fairlane
??? BF2 FPV
Does anyone know what BLF and BLF2 are? I have a feeling they are LTD models, just not sure if BA or BF.
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| Lukeyson wrote: | Just for the record, this is the part prefex/model matrix:
3R23 AY/BA BA Falcon
BAC BA RTV
BAC BA RTV
BF BA Fairlane
BA2 BA II Falcon
BAC2 BA II RTV
BF2 BA II Fairlane
5R29 BAF BF Falcon
BAFC BF RTV
BFF BF Fairlane
7R29 BAF2 BF2 Falcon
BAFC2 BF2 RTV
BFF2 BF2 Fairlane
Does anyone know what BLF and BLF2 are? I have a feeling they are LTD models, just not sure if BA or BF.
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BLF is ltd - as thatis what my chromatic mirrror is from
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