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BenJ
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I am using the knock sensor.
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TROYMAN
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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as am i..
i dont know why you would use the el manifold loom and make adaptors as its just as neat if not neater to just use the eb loom.. once its done you cant even tell..
just look how factory bens and my loom looks.
its only 2 extra wire for the knock sensor.
2 extra wires for the bbm solinoid and 2 extra wires if you want your thermo fans running of the ecu.. a total of 6 wires neatly taped up and run through the fire wall..
unless you do a whole body loom swap i dont see the point..
and at any time we can unplug it and re fitt the eb manifold and loom with no fuss.  |
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frankieh
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:18 am Post subject: |
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A full loom swap was one of the reasons I don't want to change the engine loom... I am putting an EL motor in and an el front end.. decided if I want to go the way of BenJ and do the dash too, I'd rather just swap the whole loom...
still, will see how this works.. if it doesn't I guess I'll be doing it that way as well. |
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snap0964
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| frankieh wrote: | | I also want to make use of knock sensor and it's also a challange to make an adaptor. |
If you don't have a knock sensor plug, the Inlet air temp (IAT) plug should be a straight fit IIRC. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| i havnt hooked my knock sensor up and havn't had any issues with it... what does it actually do? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| As I understand it.. it retards the timing by up to 4 degrees if it detects detonation. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| crazy stuff.... i think i might have to hook it up |
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commandojones
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry (lateness)I used the EB loom, i had to alter to fit the in and around the BB manifold n to hook up the ISC etc. I havent hooked up the knock sensor either. retards the timing hey. when i first had the motor in it used to ping under load, running on premo helped, all i did was retard the timing (base ignition timing- i think) cos the timing light showed it was advanced slightly. ever since then no pinging but i wondering if i lost tiny bit of power doesnt quite feel the same.  |
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TROYMAN
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| commandojones wrote: | | Sorry (lateness)I used the EB loom, i had to alter to fit the in and around the BB manifold. |
yep you should have only had to extend the isc and tps wires..
the rest is a straight fit. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeh thats all i did from memory |
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BenJ
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I also had to extend the Coil wire and the Air Temp wires.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| BenJ wrote: | I also had to extend the Coil wire and the Air Temp wires.
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I had to extend the airtemp wires (while it was in the car and threaded through, not fun) but the coil just reached iirc |
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TROYMAN
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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there must be slight differences in loom lengths or its in the way its routed?
with mine i only had to extend the tps and isc wires.
and when we did mrs eb ghias car i only had to extend tps,isc and the wire to the starter.. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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| with mine it all JUST squeezed in. just extended the 2 sets of wires. tho its not all plug and play for everyone. my old EA used 2 TPS's one for the gearbox which had a seperate computer to run it. and the ISC was a completely different plug. my NC however... since its more like an EL then an EB it had all the correct plugs from factory. so now i have spares |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| TROYMAN wrote: | its only 2 extra wire for the knock sensor.
2 extra wires for the bbm solinoid and 2 extra wires if you want your thermo fans running of the ecu.. a total of 6 wires neatly taped up and run through the fire wall.. |
Hi Troyman,
Hope everything's been cool for you.
Where exactly through the firewall did you run the wires? Did you have to remove any of the dash? |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| i ran mine through the gromit that the window washer loom comes through |
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BenJ
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I ran mine through the grommet where the vac lines come through behind the washer bottle.
I believe Troyman did the same, as I copied him. 
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like a consensus. So this can be done without removing dash? Maybe take out the glovebox?
[PS - looking at that photo of your car BenJ, i wonder if you have considered painting the A-pillar and roof black? I think Ford Probe's were often red with black pillars and roof, to compare] |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| you only need to remove the glovebox, i also removed the passenger side of the dash. bottom section. its easy as. a few screws and it pops out giving you alot more access and arm space. |
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BenJ
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| huggiebear wrote: | | you only need to remove the glovebox, i also removed the passenger side of the dash. bottom section. its easy as. a few screws and it pops out giving you alot more access and arm space. |
Yes with the EB Dash you can do that.
Completely different story with the EL dash. The bloody thing doesn't come apart like the EB one.
But a but of stiff wire and all is possible.
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