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| Well done Ben looks tops. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| TROYMAN wrote: | | yea the oil pressure sender should be the same.? |
No, the resistances are quite different between pre EF and post EF - don't know why though 
Tacho: same, speedo: same, volts: same
temp: EBII onwards same, EA/EBI slightly different
| BenJ wrote: | | I still have the ECU receiving the speed signal direct from the VSS. Do you think I need to change it to receive the signal from the dash? |
Wouldn't hurt - I'd say it's done for a reason, maybe the cluster modifies the signal ?
| BenJ wrote: | | Do you have any thoughts as to why the Tacho would get the shakes under acceleration. It is fine while standing still. |
Probably because the tacho signal is sourced differently. You'll need to find the pink/blue tacho wire from the TFI that goes to the cluster (should go past the ECU - check your shop manual) - cut the wire, splice it into the yellow/green wire, ECU pin36. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thats some wicked mods BenJ great job
keep it up  |
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looks good as i think i should go from EF/EL 2 EA/ED lol
lol
nar but it looks gas really just wish the was a cool mod like that 4 an EF/EL |
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BenJ
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: EF Fairmont Cluster |
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OK. This will be long and have lots of photos. So grab your pocorn and coke and get ready for some learnin. 
Things you need to complete this mod.
1. EA/EB/ED car, with an EL ECU and Engine - No, you can't just put in an EL ECU with an engine running the Log Manifold.
2. EF or EL Instrument Cluster - In my case an EF Fairmont Cluster
3. A plug off the back of an EA/EB/ED Sports/Fairmont Instrument Cluster - Cut it off close to the cluster leaving as much of the metal as possible.
4. Both Plugs and as much loom as you can get out of an EF/EL Fairmont that plug into the Instrument Cluster
5. 4 metres of Auto wire from Jaycar/d**k etc
6. A selection of Crimp Terminals and relevant tools
7. A Soldering Iron and Solder etc
8. Pinout charts for BOTH Instrument Clusters
9. Metal 'Make a Bracket' strips from Bunnings
10. A good understanding of how all this works - This is NOT a mod for begginers
Step One
Using the Pinout charts for the Instrument Clusters, create a comparison spreadsheet to match common wires etc from the EB to the EF. This will be your guide for building your own adapter loom.
Step Two
Create your adapter loom. Now that you know what wire from which connector on the EF/EL side goes to which pin on the plug on the EB side you can start soldering. Carefully match up each wire from the EF/EL plugs to the relevant wire on the EB Plug.
Double check everything!!!!!!!
At the end you should end up with something that resembles this.
This is the EB Plug
These are the two EF/EL plugs
Left Hand
Right Hand
Note there are some wires not in the new loom. Two of these are connected to the ECU. One to the DATA line (Pin 34) and the other to the TFI line (Pin 36). Use 3 metres of the Auto Wire and run two wires from the Cluster area to the ECU and splice the two wires into the relevant ECU wires. I used Crimp Terminals to allow me to unplug/undo all the changes. The other two wires are for the DATA output which normally goes to the EF/EL Trip Computer and for the Smartlock LED. I left them out for use later if I needed them.
Here is the loom plugged in to the EF Cluster.
Step Three
Make mounting brackets. This is how I have done this. You may find a better way. I still need to work on the placement of my cluster. It is out 5mm to the left, but will work on that another day. I also used the screws and slide on clip thingos from the dash.
Step Four
Place the Cluster in the EB Dash. You will figure it out. It does not just simply drop in. You have to slide and juggle it all. Don't forget to plug in your new loom to the EB cluster loom plugs and the two additional wires connected to the ECU (don't mix them up).
Then use the Factory Mounting points for the EB Cluster to attach your new brackets to.
Example prior to attaching.
Now reassemble your dash. TADDAAAAAAA Finished. 
Sounds Easy Huh? 
So for those who patiently waited for some pics of gaps etc please see the following photos.
There are some small gaps. But these are only really noticeable if you look for them. I will add some small filler strips later to finish it off. From the drivers seat, I can't really see them.
A couple of night shots.
Bright Setting
Dull Setting - with all extras on
There are a couple of things yet to sort out.
The LCD is not lighting up at all yet. I believe this is due to the LCD Dimmer wires not being connect to anything at all. I will try and connect the normal park light wire to the postive side and connect the earth side to ground.
Also, the oil pressure guage is still reading hight. I believe the EF/EL cars use a different oil pressure sender to the EA/EB/ED cars. Ford have different part numbers for them. I will try to grab one from the wreckers and see if it resolves the issue.
It is also worth noting that the EF/EL Tacho does not use the same source wire as the EB. The EB gets the signal from the TFI module (Pink or Pink/Blue Wire) and the EF/EL gets the signal from the wire going to the TFI module from the ECU (Yellow/Green wire - Pin 36) Thanks snap0964.
I hope some of this makes sense.
YES, this mod is NOT for the first timers, and requires a variety of skills and tools to complete. Please contact me if you are serious about doing this and I will help you out.
Regards
BenJ
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: EF Fairmont Cluster |
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snap0964
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Re: EF Fairmont Cluster |
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Ben, don't forget VSS in, and VSS out - VSS out goes to the ECU, and will also go to the EF/EL cruise when it's fitted.
| BenJ wrote: | | The LCD is not lighting up at all yet. I believe this is due to the LCD Dimmer wires not being connect to anything at all. I will try and connect the normal park light wire to the postive side and connect the earth side to ground. |
I'm betting it's a fairmont cluster - see http://www.fordmods.com/forums/documents.php?doc=14 "Adding the LCD dimming resistor". Pin 16 RHS plug then goes to the headlight switch, or splice it into the LCD dimmer line from your TC. Pin 17 RHS plug is ign 12v.
| BenJ wrote: | | I believe the EF/EL cars use a different oil pressure sender to the EA/EB/ED cars. Ford have different part numbers for them. I will try to grab one from the wreckers and see if it resolves the issue. |
As I say, the books give different figs - I'm suspecting an EF/EL sender has an 94DA-xxx number, and EA-ED probably 87DA or 90DA, etc.
| BenJ wrote: | | It is also worth noting that the EF/EL Tacho does not use the same source wire as the EB. The EB gets the signal from the TFI module (Pink or Pink/Blue Wire) and the EF/EL gets the signal from the wire going to the TFI module from the ECU (Yellow/Green wire - Pin 36). |
Has this fixed the issue you were having ?? |
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BenJ
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: Re: EF Fairmont Cluster |
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| snap0964 wrote: | | Ben, don't forget VSS in, and VSS out - VSS out goes to the ECU, and will also go to the EF/EL cruise when it's fitted. |
I have the VSS coming in to the Cluster, but have decided not to run it to the ECU as the ECU is receiving the VSS directly.
| snap0964 wrote: | | I'm betting it's a fairmont cluster - see http://www.fordmods.com/forums/documents.php?doc=14 "Adding the LCD dimming resistor". Pin 16 RHS plug then goes to the headlight switch, or splice it into the LCD dimmer line from your TC. Pin 17 RHS plug is ign 12v. |
Correct it is a fairmont cluster. I have the resistor here and will add this in. However the doco states that the LCD should light up without the Park lights on, and you add the resistor for the LCD to work with the Park lights on. As my car has no function for LCD dimming at all, I believe I will need to connect Pin 17 RHS (LCD Positive Illumination) to the Park lights wire and Pin 16 RHS (LCD Negative Illumination) to earth. Opinions?
| snap0964 wrote: | | BenJ wrote: | | I believe the EF/EL cars use a different oil pressure sender to the EA/EB/ED cars. Ford have different part numbers for them. I will try to grab one from the wreckers and see if it resolves the issue. |
As I say, the books give different figs - I'm suspecting an EF/EL sender has an 94DA-xxx number, and EA-ED probably 87DA or 90DA, etc. |
Going to the Wreckers soon, so will let you know.
| snap0964 wrote: | | BenJ wrote: | | ]It is also worth noting that the EF/EL Tacho does not use the same source wire as the EB. The EB gets the signal from the TFI module (Pink or Pink/Blue Wire) and the EF/EL gets the signal from the wire going to the TFI module from the ECU (Yellow/Green wire - Pin 36). |
Has this fixed the issue you were having ?? |
Yes, many Thanks Snap0964. The tacho needle no longer shakes. It is as solid as a rock now.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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sweeeet .
looking good..
will you have this fitted on the cruise on saturday?
ps..benj ive been working on the fuel door mod you were talking about.
and i have promising results.. |
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BenJ
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| TROYMAN wrote: | sweeeet .
looking good..
will you have this fitted on the cruise on saturday?
ps..benj ive been working on the fuel door mod you were talking about.
and i have promising results.. |
It is in now, and have been driving around with it in all day. I want to secure it a bit more, but it should be in for the cruise on Saturday.
I look forward to seeing how you went with the fuel flap mod.
I got the Oil Pressure Sender from an EF Fairmont this morning. Am waiting for the car to cool down before I try to change it.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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f**k ben awsome mod mate. your car is now getting very uniqe now. You know what would set it off...is a ED XR front end  and i happen to be selling one |
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| ReGiE wrote: | | f**k ben awsome mod mate. your car is now getting very uniqe now. You know what would set it off...is a ED XR front end and i happen to be selling one |
Funny Bugger
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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lol, since seeing the comment here about fuel flap mods.. I've been searching for more info..
Where have you detailed your efforts Troyman/BenJ ??? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| frankieh wrote: | | Where have you detailed your efforts Troyman/BenJ ??? |
Only in our heads and in conversation. If it works out one of us, probably Troyman will post up details.
OK, it seems the Oil Pressure Sender I got off the EF Fairmont is actualy an Oil Pressure Switch. I am quite confused now as to what is what. I will go to ford and ask to see them both so I know WTF I am dealing with. LOL.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I have to know now... what is the fuel flap mod????? |
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snap0964
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: EF Fairmont Cluster |
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Funnily enough the other day I was looking at an EA ghia cluster I had, and whether an EF/EL board would fit in it. I'm a bit surprised how good the EF/EL cluster fits on it's own, seeing the EA one I have has a square LHS, but the RHS top is curved.
Actually, there's no reason now why an NF/NL cluster can't be fitted to an EA-ED.
| Benj wrote: | | Correct it is a fairmont cluster. I have the resistor here and will add this in. However the doco states that the LCD should light up without the Park lights on, and you add the resistor for the LCD to work with the Park lights on. As my car has no function for LCD dimming at all, I believe I will need to connect Pin 17 RHS (LCD Positive Illumination) to the Park lights wire and Pin 16 RHS (LCD Negative Illumination) to earth. Opinions? |
You'll find the odo will only light up when parkers are on with that configuration.
Pin 17 RHS plug is ign 12v - so odo gets power during ign.
Pin 16 RHS plug this can splice to the blue/red line, LHS plug pin 4 (try this with a temp jumper lead first).
The resistor is used as a path to earth when parkers are on, as the odo globe has voltage both sides - hence why the odo goes out when parkers are on.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry if this have been covered but why is the oil pressure gauge reading full bore? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| great job |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| 4LEDboy wrote: | | Sorry if this have been covered but why is the oil pressure gauge reading full bore? |
has the oil pressure switch still in it, so it only reads as on or off. Needs an oil pressure sender to control the gauge correctly. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="BenJ"] | frankieh wrote: | | Where have you detailed your efforts Troyman/BenJ ??? |
Only in our heads and in conversation. If it works out one of us, probably Troyman will post up details.
ive made a ef fuel door fit the ea. as ea/ed have a finger hole and ef/el doesnt.. i will post something up soon i just dont want to crowd benj's interior topic with a fuel door thread.. |
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