Home |  Forums |  Search |  My Profile |  Chat  Photo Gallery |  Events Calendar |  Technical Documents  No messages |  New Posts |  Watched Topics |  Register   EOI: Small megasquirt group buy Goto page 1, 2  Next          Forum Index -> ECU and Fuel System Forum Latest ratings Highest-ranked posts Highest-ranked topics Highest-ranked posters   Hyena Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1518 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: The Shire, Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (14) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 12:21 pm    Post subject: EOI: Small megasquirt group buy Hey guys, I'm chasing an expression of interest in a small group buy of megasquirts. I'm fairly keen to get one and I know other people here have expressed interest in the past. The complete kits including everything you need to put them together and a CNC machined aluminium case are $140US (~ $180 AU ) I don't know how much shipping is or if it'll be that much cheaper to order a few of these things, but I've emailed a guy selling the kits and am waiting on his reply. For those that know anything about them, the stimluator plug in is something that'd probably be useful to have, atleast for setting up. I was thinking that maybe we could order a handful of megasquirt kits and one stimulator kit that we could all use ? (ideally if we were all sydney based but I guess if there's enough interest it could do the rounds here and then be mailed off interstate for others to use, or maybe we could order a few ?) They're another $40US (~ $51 AU) I'm not sure what's doing with the MSII plug in cards. Lots of people seem to have them but I can't find where they're selling them... For those that don't know what a megasquirt is or want more info check out this link http://www.megasquirt.info/ and the MS forums http://www.msefi.com/index.php?c=2 Back to top justfordima Technical Contributor Age:22 Posts: 2796 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: Yep, Im interested.... $180 is for what? and also I want that MS2 plugin... When are you planning on purchasing this? How much is postage? Cheers Back to top Hyena Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1518 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: The Shire, Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (14) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 2:42 pm    Post subject: Just got an email back about postage: Shipping for 1 unit is $15 US, shipping for 5 is $48 so that's $12 AU each vs $19 for postage, not much of a saving and probably not worthwhile as far as the hassle of a 'group buy' goes. The $180 price gets you the full kit and custom made case with holes and slots drilled for all the connectors. I'm guessing the case costs around $15US and the rest is for the components. You can buy the PCB + processor and all the components seperately yourself but it's more stuffing around and only a few bucks more do buy it as a complete kit. With the MS II plug in cards, the only people who have them now are the beta testers and they're running prototypes. The guy who 'invented' them posted to the MS forums that the PC boards have been fabricated and are at the contract manufacturer for installation of the components (they're all surface mount from what I can gather?). They should be available in the next few weeks. So it's probably worthwhile hanging out a few weeks and seeing what happens with them. Back to top xcabbi Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:27 Posts: 6836 Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Location: Wollongong NSW, Australia View User Gallery (4) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:34 pm    Post subject: What do you mean by the stimulator. I'm guessing that would be a hand controller or Visual Display of some sort. I'm keen for one. Back to top blackjack_original Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 3473 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: I'm sorta interested. The thing is i dunno if i'll need one, because i was planning on using it on this fairlane i was gonna buy, but the guy sold it to someone else, even though i gave him a deposit for it, so now i dunno what car i'll get. When do you plan to put in an order for this group buy? If it won't be for a while, than maybe i'll get a car in the meantime, and depending on what car i get I'll let you know. Just in case i don't reply again, you can assume that i'm out. Is that ok with you? Back to top justfordima Technical Contributor Age:22 Posts: 2796 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:53 pm    Post subject: I agree with waiting for MSII, it's a big improvement, for a small nothing. As for the simulator, it fakes or mimics what would happen in your engine, well sort of, when it would inject, things like that, so you can tune it on your bench. Cheers Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 8:10 pm    Post subject: FYI, it may work out cheapr to purchase them seperately because imports under $250AUS do not have the 10% GST or 5-15% import duty (not sure what % it is for electronics) added to them. If you import multiple units, the price will go over that $250 limit and you will have to pay those fees. Back to top JOSE Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 2462 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: geelong VIC, Australia View User Gallery (4) Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 9:21 pm    Post subject: Id be in on a group buy, what i need to know is: what would be required to get it up and running on my ED - would it work with my standard sensors etc? and will it play havoc with my tripcomp or anything else? - also what about the realay board would it be needed (rather than screwing around with heaps of realays for all different stuff) - im just worried about the practical side of things, if its gonna be a huge task setting it up and getting it running (properly) id rather just bite the bullet and get a wolf 3d Ok i read their site a bit more and answred some of my own questions, it looks like a great unit, able to do everything we'd need of it, im still worried about the getting it up and running (a programmer i am not) - could i just buy it and wait around for someone else to get theirs running well, then borrow their maps+code for it (tuning doesnt seem to be a problem, as they had some utilities to create fuel maps etc from logged AFR data. im kinda excited now. Back to top justfordima Technical Contributor Age:22 Posts: 2796 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: Megasquirt requires knowledge to assemble, not to run. They have MegaTune or something, its easy to tune. Cheers Back to top unclewoja Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 533 Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:39 am    Post subject: EDXR8 wrote: FYI, it may work out cheapr to purchase them seperately because imports under $250AUS do not have the 10% GST or 5-15% import duty (not sure what % it is for electronics) added to them. If you import multiple units, the price will go over that $250 limit and you will have to pay those fees. All duty on goods originating from teh US is now duty free. That is as of 1 Jan 2005 Back to top unclewoja Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 533 Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: JOSE wrote: Id be in on a group buy, what i need to know is: what would be required to get it up and running on my ED - would it work with my standard sensors etc? and will it play havoc with my tripcomp or anything else? - also what about the realay board would it be needed (rather than screwing around with heaps of realays for all different stuff) - im just worried about the practical side of things, if its gonna be a huge task setting it up and getting it running (properly) id rather just bite the bullet and get a wolf 3d Ok i read their site a bit more and answred some of my own questions, it looks like a great unit, able to do everything we'd need of it, im still worried about the getting it up and running (a programmer i am not) - could i just buy it and wait around for someone else to get theirs running well, then borrow their maps+code for it (tuning doesnt seem to be a problem, as they had some utilities to create fuel maps etc from logged AFR data. im kinda excited now. Your trip computer will not work. That interfaces with the ford ECU and looks at injector duty cycle to calculate economy. You don't have to worry about a relay board. You only need this when you're putting EFI on a non EFI car and all the wiring needs to be done from scratch. You can configure MS to use ANY sensor as long as you know the specs of the sensor. Other wise you can replae them with sensors that you do know the specs for. It's only temp sensors you need to worry about. If you guys do this, I can offer assistance as I have built one and got it running on my car. When you do this, you will learn SO much about tuning it's not funny. If you thing you know how an injection system on a car works now, I'm telling you, you probably don't know squat! Back to top EDXR8 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1440 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide SA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:19 am    Post subject: unclewoja wrote: All duty on goods originating from teh US is now duty free. That is as of 1 Jan 2005 Not true, there are still charges but they are hevily reduced if they come from the US. I just recieved an email from customs and it looks like most things from the US are 5% now, so you would be looking at 5% duty plus 10% GST. Back to top tickford_6 Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:25 Posts: 3896 Joined: 11 Nov 2004 Location: townsville QLD, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: unclewoja wrote: JOSE wrote: Id be in on a group buy, what i need to know is: what would be required to get it up and running on my ED - would it work with my standard sensors etc? and will it play havoc with my tripcomp or anything else? - also what about the realay board would it be needed (rather than screwing around with heaps of realays for all different stuff) - im just worried about the practical side of things, if its gonna be a huge task setting it up and getting it running (properly) id rather just bite the bullet and get a wolf 3d Ok i read their site a bit more and answred some of my own questions, it looks like a great unit, able to do everything we'd need of it, im still worried about the getting it up and running (a programmer i am not) - could i just buy it and wait around for someone else to get theirs running well, then borrow their maps+code for it (tuning doesnt seem to be a problem, as they had some utilities to create fuel maps etc from logged AFR data. im kinda excited now. Your trip computer will not work. That interfaces with the ford ECU and looks at injector duty cycle to calculate economy. You don't have to worry about a relay board. You only need this when you're putting EFI on a non EFI car and all the wiring needs to be done from scratch. You can configure MS to use ANY sensor as long as you know the specs of the sensor. Other wise you can replae them with sensors that you do know the specs for. It's only temp sensors you need to worry about. If you guys do this, I can offer assistance as I have built one and got it running on my car. When you do this, you will learn SO much about tuning it's not funny. If you thing you know how an injection system on a car works now, I'm telling you, you probably don't know squat! how many RPM points does it have?? and how many load points at each RPM point does it have?? are the RPM points user defineable?? Back to top JOSE Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 2462 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: geelong VIC, Australia View User Gallery (4) Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: unclewoja wrote: Your trip computer will not work. That interfaces with the ford ECU and looks at injector duty cycle to calculate economy. If you guys do this, I can offer assistance as I have built one and got it running on my car. When you do this, you will learn SO much about tuning it's not funny. If you thing you know how an injection system on a car works now, I'm telling you, you probably don't know squat! Damn, id like to keep my tripcomp (not a huge prob though, the novelty has worn off), does anyone know if it would be possible to keep my standard ECU and get it to run the tripcomp, or make some kind of device to calculate the injector duty cycle for it ( i thought it used injector pulse width to calculate fuel usage - if so could it run directly form MS?) Thanks for the offer of assisatnce, once i get a couple of (BIG) things fixed on my car i will probably buy one of these kits. Back to top Hyena Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 1518 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: The Shire, Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (14) Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:47 am    Post subject: tickford_6 wrote: how many RPM points does it have?? and how many load points at each RPM point does it have?? are the RPM points user defineable?? According to the MS forums the standard MS has 100 RPM resolution but apparently you can rewrite the code to improve this (you can rewrite the code to make it do just about anything!) I don't know if the MSII is any better in that particular respect, but I'm going to hang out for it regardless. It's been "coming soon" for ages but it seems that it really is only a few weeks away now. Back to top justfordima Technical Contributor Age:22 Posts: 2796 Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Location: Sydney NSW, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:46 pm    Post subject: Quote: 24 MHz HCS12 processor (C32 or C64 version), Fuel control to 1 µsec (100 times more resolution than MegaSquirt), That was on the MSII page. Cheers Back to top unclewoja Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 533 Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:18 am    Post subject: EDXR8 wrote: unclewoja wrote: All duty on goods originating from teh US is now duty free. That is as of 1 Jan 2005 Not true, there are still charges but they are hevily reduced if they come from the US. I just recieved an email from customs and it looks like most things from the US are 5% now, so you would be looking at 5% duty plus 10% GST. I import stuff from the US.... USD$600,000 in a good year. We don't pay duty as of 01/01/05 and I have been told by customs that that is for ALL goods coming here from the US (except cars). If you're getting charged duty, that 5% is going straight to the customs officer's pocket. Last edited by unclewoja on Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:23 am, edited 1 time in total Back to top unclewoja Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:26 Posts: 533 Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: JOSE wrote: Damn, id like to keep my tripcomp (not a huge prob though, the novelty has worn off), does anyone know if it would be possible to keep my standard ECU and get it to run the tripcomp, or make some kind of device to calculate the injector duty cycle for it ( i thought it used injector pulse width to calculate fuel usage - if so could it run directly form MS?) Thanks for the offer of assisatnce, once i get a couple of (BIG) things fixed on my car i will probably buy one of these kits. Injector pulse width and injector duty cycle are completely different. Injector pulse width is the time the injector is open for each pulse. Duty cycle is the time the injector is open in total. I.e. Lets say you calculate duty cycle every 100ms and you have 80% duty cycle. The injectors are open for 80ms every 100ms. Now, I can have the injector open for 80ms by having them open once for 80ms (pulse width 80ms) or 4 times for 20ms (20ms pulse wdth) or 8 times for 10ms etc etc. As you can see, same duty cycle, different pulse widths. Max pulse width you can have is 25ms though. Back to top JOSE Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:23 Posts: 2462 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: geelong VIC, Australia View User Gallery (4) Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:59 pm    Post subject: Quote: Pin 5 Green/Yellow To Fuel Injection PWM Output on EECIV Pin 34 - Middle Row on EEC connector, 4th Pin from center bolt (Outward) - Green/Yellow (For 3.2, 3.9-EFI,3.9-MPEFI, 4.0-MPEFI, and V8 Models) I just pulled that from the doco on adding a tripcomp to an EA-ED, if you read the start it says "To Fuel Injection PWM Output on EECIV Pin 34 " im pretty sure PWM stands for pulse width modulation, so it could be possible to get this info to the tripcomp, (not sure how though at the moment) what kind of data could i expect from this line, is it signal that says "Pulse width is xxx", or is it a signal as in "injectors are firing" and the tripcomp figures the PW from this?. If its the latter im ok, if its the former i give up. Back to top 4.9 EF Futura Moderator Age:27 Posts: 8658 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Adelaide CBD SA, Australia View User Gallery (37) Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 1:12 pm    Post subject: Guys, regarding the MS... thought you may enjoy reading this. http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?t=600432 Probably more relevant for the MAF V8 but the I6 owners may find it interesting, all about setting up and tuning the MS on a SEFI MAF V8, including the 'switch' to bank fire, installation of sensors etc. MAP is built into the MS unit. Not all of the pictures work but many do. Software looks quite impressive. Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First             Forum Index -> ECU and Fuel System Forum Goto page 1, 2  Next Page 1 of 2   (c)2002-2009 Matti Jones and Brad Evans [47 queries :: 0.10371 seconds ]