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ixlrate
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My wifes 2001 laser has been fitted with lpg,it back fired yesterday and blew the lid off the airbox,car doesn't run properly on petrol anymore but still runs fine on gas,i reckon its stuffed the air flow meter,ford quoted me $600 for the meter and $115 for the airbox lid.they asked if i was sitting down before quoting but i half expected that sort of price. 
next i need to work out why this happened,lpg installer recons its electrical nothing to do with the gas system. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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did the airbox have some give in it as to allow for the inevitable gas backfire?
its odd with fords prices, sometimes they are insane, but others you go in expecting to be bent over a barrel but they quote like $3.
my gas system only ever backfires if the mixture if way of and you give it too much throttle. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| go buy them off mazda. will find it to be alot cheaper |
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ixlrate
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Leroy wrote: | | go buy them off mazda. will find it to be alot cheaper |
Now thats a thought  |
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ixlrate
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Leroy wrote: | | go buy them off mazda. will find it to be alot cheaper |
$107 and $758 maybe ford not such a fraud after all.  |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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Check the MAF wires to see if they're damaged.
Get airbox lid 2nd hand.
All good  |
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ixlrate
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| 4.9 EF Futura wrote: | Check the MAF wires to see if they're damaged.
Get airbox lid 2nd hand.
All good |
Yer they're missing,stuck on the mesh can't find either secondhand in adelaide. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| FTG auto has quoted me much better prices on airboxes than that... they may be able to assist with MAF electronics as well?? |
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ixlrate
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| i'll give them a ring |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Why would you bother putting a laser on gas, I have 2 v8's and would never consider putting them on gas...these engines are never designed to run on gas, gas conversions are usually dodgy and cause nothing but headaches....
If you can not afford fuel for a laser you can not afford a car.....imagine the fuel you could have bought for the cost of gas conversion and the now damaged parts, not even considering the premature engine wear, cold start problems, other problems, tune ups every few month's, loss of power and throttle response and the list goes on etc just a wast of time and money...... |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| xb-coupe-351 wrote: |
If you can not afford fuel for a laser you can not afford a car..... |
Now this is about as honest as it gets ladies and gents. Can't agree with the rest of your post though xb.
People put cars on LPG when its too impractical to downsize to a more fuel efficient car. Thing is you can't really go much smaller than a laser. Putting one of them on LPG is borderline stupidly tight a***. If you can't afford the fuel bill for a laser then you should be restricted to buses, trains and your own 2 feet. Even Taxi's are too expensive for you.
Reminds me a few years ago when GRA setups on turbo 250 X flows could make a s**t of power. Every tight a*** thought they'd get the same results for their excells. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| ixlrate wrote: | | Leroy wrote: | | go buy them off mazda. will find it to be alot cheaper |
$107 and $758 maybe ford not such a fraud after all. |
what prices are they? |
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ixlrate
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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For starters the gas system cost me $50 after the rebate,since i don't work money is always tight in our house hold,we were going thru around $100 aweek in juice in the laser doing over 1000k's aweek and at that stage petrol was around $1.42l gas 56c,we save around $60 aweek or $3000 ayear,we obviously do alot of driving from me taking the wife to work,then the kids to seperate schools then my eldest to the train station each day so she can get to work,then i do it all in reverse in the evening,my son plays in 3 cricket teams and my daughter in 2 netball clubs so every night of the week were travelling to there traning,sometimes drop the boy off them the daughter go back and get him then her,plus all weekend going to cricket and netball games.
It seemed to me good economics going gas,when driving the laser on gas you can't tell the difference between gas and petrol wouldn't even know gas was fitted except when we struggle to get the cricket bags in the boot. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| xb-coupe-351 wrote: | Why would you bother putting a laser on gas, I have 2 v8's and would never consider putting them on gas...these engines are never designed to run on gas, gas conversions are usually dodgy and cause nothing but headaches....
If you can not afford fuel for a laser you can not afford a car.....imagine the fuel you could have bought for the cost of gas conversion and the now damaged parts, not even considering the premature engine wear, cold start problems, other problems, tune ups every few month's, loss of power and throttle response and the list goes on etc just a wast of time and money...... |
And I bet you were against fuel injection too LOL
A well setup system can be pretty much low maintenance, as for engine wear if the vehicle is designed to run on unleaded petrol and has been tuned correctly for gas there is a low chance of wear on valves and valve seats, as for cylinder wear petrol is far worse than LPG as LPG can not wash oil from cylinder walls, should I continue.
Back in 91 I saw a better one than "ixlrate's" Laser, a Suzuki Hatch on LPG, after the disbelief I spoke to the owner, he was an old bloke (wife gone) driving from Singleton to Melbourne (about a 2400km round trip) so many times a month visiting his son with his dog in the back, it meant it was cheap and he didn't need to fill up until he got to his destination, a mate did an engine rebuild on it a some time later, he said it had around 500,000km, try getting those sort of kms out of a 550cc engine on petrol, the man spent more money on replacing seat belts from the dog chewing on them than engine maintenance.(he ended up fitting a cargo barrier). |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ixlrate wrote: | For starters the gas system cost me $50 after the rebate,since i don't work money is always tight in our house hold,we were going thru around $100 aweek in juice in the laser doing over 1000k's aweek and at that stage petrol was around $1.42l gas 56c,we save around $60 aweek or $3000 ayear,we obviously do alot of driving from me taking the wife to work,then the kids to seperate schools then my eldest to the train station each day so she can get to work,then i do it all in reverse in the evening,my son plays in 3 cricket teams and my daughter in 2 netball clubs so every night of the week were travelling to there traning,sometimes drop the boy off them the daughter go back and get him then her,plus all weekend going to cricket and netball games.
It seemed to me good economics going gas,when driving the laser on gas you can't tell the difference between gas and petrol wouldn't even know gas was fitted except when we struggle to get the cricket bags in the boot. |
Mate, you don't have to justify yourself to anyone. As long as you're happy with it, it's your money and decision - so other fools should just mind their own business.
I can just never understand why people feel the need to criticise people for putting small cars on LPG - while I wouldn't do it personally, it's your choice. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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exactly. as you said you basically paid nothing for it and are $3000 a year better off.
i think youd be mad not to if you had that chance lol. who cares if its a small car and doesnt cost much to run in the first place, costing even less than not much is always better i reckon. |
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ixlrate
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:57 am Post subject: |
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Since i'm not a member of fordforums the link was not accessable to me,but as I've been ringing around adelaide wreckers for parts it was mentioned to me 3 times about a device fitted between the tb and maf so if it backfires again a gate opens to release the pressure thus hopefully saving the maf,my gas installer has quoted $85 to have this installed,wish he mentioned this when the system was fitted  |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: |
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copy of the posts
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made a home made expansion valve like this for my EF dual fuel, drill 50mm hole in inlet duct, fit 90mm rubber disc over hole - attach with 2 self tappers either side of centre line
when/if car back fires, rubber flap lifts to let gases out, rubber flap reseals when inlet returns to negative pressure as it does in normal running - any backfires after this were more like f@rt and hardly noticeable in comparison
EF was factory dual fuel with spring clips on airbox lid - still managed to blow apart the ducting acouple of times anyway, main area of force is right near the mixer ring which is a long way from the airbox lid so the gases took the easier way out thru the ducting
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mate who was a taxi company mechanic told me about it, they did it on their taxis, basically you drill the 50mm hole in the flattest part of the manifold just in front of where the mixer is, stick a reasonably large washer under each self tapper so the rubber disc is secured and the screw head (screws located as close to the edge of the disc as you can get) won't pull thru - you can use 3 screws evenly spaced around the disc if the rubber doesn't want to sit to flat, but don't use 4 because it'll stop the rubber from lifting so easily if you do have a backfire
it is a simple cheap mod that will protect the manifold, i split my original one open twice, ford wanted $200 for a new one, wreckers wanted $100, got one from ebay for $40 inc postage for a petrol engine that i had to enlarge a tad so the mixer would fit in it, fitted the rubber disc valve to it and never had any more problems
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the pic, i used a white disc of paper to show where the rubber flap sits |
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| thanks dddp,that make perfect scense and seems easy enough,i'll give it ago. |
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