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FordFairmont
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| FordFairmont wrote: | Ok a couple q's....
1. How much for the e-series 1636 REGRIND cam outright with no exchange cam?
2. Is the 1636 regrind cam exactly the same cam for EA-EB-ED-EF-early EL?
3. 'IF' its not the same, would you take an EA stock cam as an exchange for an EF specified 1636 cam as an exchange?
4. What build date did the el's start using the AU head?
5. So i assume all model e-series need an extra 1.9mm shim but the diameter varies between the models?
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could i get some info on this please? cheers |
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Wade Cams
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| FordFairmont wrote: | | FordFairmont wrote: | Ok a couple q's....
1. How much for the e-series 1636 REGRIND cam outright with no exchange cam? $235.00 inc GST + FREIGHT.
2. Is the 1636 regrind cam exactly the same cam for EA-EB-ED-EF-early EL? YES.
3. 'IF' its not the same, would you take an EA stock cam as an exchange for an EF specified 1636 cam as an exchange? N/A.
4. What build date did the el's start using the AU head? 9th MONTH, I THINK. NOT ENTIRELY SURE.
5. So i assume all model e-series need an extra 1.9mm shim but the diameter varies between the models? CORRECT.
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could i get some info on this please? cheers |
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stoj79
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| hi chris just curious the next bets cam up from the 1673 which i have is the 1521a is that correct and also woudl this work with standard comp and if not what are the syptoms or issues relating to why it cannot |
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Wade Cams
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| stoj79 wrote: | | hi chris just curious the next bets cam up from the 1673 which i have is the 1521a is that correct and also woudl this work with standard comp and if not what are the syptoms or issues relating to why it cannot |
Stricktly speaking, the 977B is the next cam up from the 1673. The difference however is not great.
The 1521A, without a modified chip, would run like a pig. Idle, performance etc. would be poor. |
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stoj79
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| with the 977 how does it perfome in regards to 1673 is it more of a torque cam rather then hp laso whats the idle like and also power curve ino my 1673 starts aroud 2600,2700 rpm |
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Wade Cams
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| stoj79 wrote: | | with the 977 how does it perfome in regards to 1673 is it more of a torque cam rather then hp laso whats the idle like and also power curve ino my 1673 starts aroud 2600,2700 rpm |
The difference between the two is minimal. The 1673 would have slightly more torque and a better idle. The 977B would have slightly more top end and the idle would "not be as good". |
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FordFairmont
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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HI, just would like to know the rev range for the 977b.
If it goes past the rev limiter, would moving the cam forward 2 degrees bring the power back a little earlier?
And before you recommend the 1673, im happy with the power of the 1636 but want a 'cranky' cam with tough idle, so im going for the 977b |
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FordFairmont
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^^^ car is a manual EF with 3.7 diff |
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Wade Cams
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| FordFairmont wrote: | HI, just would like to know the rev range for the 977b.
If it goes past the rev limiter, would moving the cam forward 2 degrees bring the power back a little earlier?
And before you recommend the 1673, im happy with the power of the 1636 but want a 'cranky' cam with tough idle, so im going for the 977b |
The 977B would operate past the limiter, if the limiter were to allow it to, which it won't. You are correct in saying that advancing the cam will bring the power back a little.
If it's a tough idle you want then the 977B would be the go. The 1673's idle is a little rougher than the 1636 but's still not exactly "tough". |
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FordFairmont
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| ok one last one..... does the 2 shims per rocker arm rule apply to ALL regrind wade cams? |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| FordFairmont wrote: | | ok one last one..... does the 2 shims per rocker arm rule apply to ALL regrind wade cams? |
Yes, the original + 1 extra 1.9mm shim.
The only time where maybe 2 extra shims might be needed is where a couple of people have asked for a 1521A as a regrind rather than a new cam. We prefer not to do that, but, if people insist, we give them what they want.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Chris
Do you think it would be worth me upgrading to a 977b in my current situation. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Grechie wrote: | Hey Chris
Do you think it would be worth me upgrading to a 977b in my current situation. |
I think it would be fair to say that the gains that you've achieved from going from the 1636 to the 1673 are unlikely to be replicated by going from the 1673 to the 977B. The idle would deteriorate.
The 1673 and 977B are virtually identical on the intake lobes. It's only the exhaust lobes on the 977B that has 0.014" more lift, 4 degrees more advertised duration and 8 degrees more duration @ 0.050".
I guess it depends on whether you plan on making any other mods to go with it.
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Fischer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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gday can you guys grind me a 1673 profile onto an au cam as i'm running the egas engine the computer reacts the same way the e-series does.
I've got an auto with a shiftkit and 2500 stally.
what sort of price am i looking at including shims and vernier gear exchange.
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Wade Cams
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Fischer wrote: | gday can you guys grind me a 1673 profile onto an au cam as i'm running the egas engine the computer reacts the same way the e-series does.
I've got an auto with a shiftkit and 2500 stally.
what sort of price am i looking at including shims and vernier gear exchange.
Thanks,
Josh |
PM sent. Sorry about the delay. Internet's been off. |
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I am using a 1004-14 with a turbo which will be running 20 to 30 lbs of boost. What rate valve springs would you suggest using. i.e seat pressure and 0.5lift pressure.
Also I have read a couple of post where people have used very heavy valve springs and the engine was a little noisy, switched back to stock valve springs and the car returned to normal.
Can you give some advice on valve spring selection. |
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SleeperEL
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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Howdy. My mate has a Wade cam in his XF which i hope to get for mine too, although he has gone away overseas & i cant get a hold of him to find out his cam specs but this is what he said to me:
It is apparently the 3rd largest cam you can get for these. (Only go 2 sizes bigger).
And is 1 size up from being reccomended not being used with an automatic gearbox.
It has a VERY lumpy idle & with the infomation he has given me im lead to belive its the cam profile number 373 for the 250 Crossflow.
What are you thoughts??
Also, if i was to get this cam, how much would it set me back & also what else would i need in conjunction with this cam??
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| Oh, I have already a 2.5in exhaust, extractors, Redline intake manifold & Holley carbi. |
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Wade Cams
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| turbotrana wrote: | I am using a 1004-14 with a turbo which will be running 20 to 30 lbs of boost. What rate valve springs would you suggest using. i.e seat pressure and 0.5lift pressure.
Also I have read a couple of post where people have used very heavy valve springs and the engine was a little noisy, switched back to stock valve springs and the car returned to normal.
Can you give some advice on valve spring selection. |
Any spring that's rated 110 to 115 lbs on seat should be adequate for the 1004-14 profile.
Heavy springs, in a E series, could result in the lifter "bleeding down". Returning to "lighter" springs might stop the lifters bleeding down and thus stop the noise. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| SleeperEL wrote: | Howdy. My mate has a Wade cam in his XF which i hope to get for mine too, although he has gone away overseas & i cant get a hold of him to find out his cam specs but this is what he said to me:
It is apparently the 3rd largest cam you can get for these. (Only go 2 sizes bigger).
And is 1 size up from being reccomended not being used with an automatic gearbox.
It has a VERY lumpy idle & with the infomation he has given me im lead to belive its the cam profile number 373 for the 250 Crossflow.
What are you thoughts??
Also, if i was to get this cam, how much would it set me back & also what else would i need in conjunction with this cam??
Cheers, Nathan |
Hi Nathan
I'm a little bit unsure, are you running a manual or auto transmission?
The 373 profile, which is one of the original Holden XU-1 profiles, would not be suitable for an auto, unless you had a 3000 high stall fitted.
It would have a rev range in a 250 crossflow from 2800 to 5500 or maybe even a little higher. The mods you've got at present would be compatible.
The cost to supply a new cam would be $198.00 inc. GST. Freight to Murwillumbah would be extra, possibly about $20.00.
Cheers
Chris |
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