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stoj79 Fordmods Tyre Shredder
Age:29 Posts: 306 Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: Taylors Hill VIC, Australia
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Hi Guys
Can anyone here give me some ideas on how the 1673 cam woudl run with a supercharger woudl it benefit ......? as im thinkn of doin the raptor kit but trying with the cam i have in atm |
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Wade Cams
Age:55 Posts: 297 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| stoj79 wrote: | Hi Guys
Can anyone here give me some ideas on how the 1673 cam woudl run with a supercharger woudl it benefit ......? as im thinkn of doin the raptor kit but trying with the cam i have in atm |
The 1673 works fine with a supercharger. Not much more l can add really. |
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stoj79 Fordmods Tyre Shredder
Age:29 Posts: 306 Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: Taylors Hill VIC, Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Hi Chris
Could u please reccomend me a cam to suit a supercharger setup something with not alot of overlap i currently have the 1673 and also could we make it somewhat more lopey at idle
cheers steve |
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sd1800 Fordmods Newbie
Age:20 Posts: 14 Joined: 22 Nov 2007 Location: Bexley, Sydney NSW, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Hi guys, I'm thinking of fitting a 1636 to my car listed in my signature. I asked a mechanic if he would be able to fit it for me but he advised against it, saying that installing a warmer cam will disrupt the internals of a motor with the mileage mine has(244,000 on the bottom end, about 75,000 on the head), and cause more problems than advantages.
Do I have anything to worry about or should I probably just leave it the way it is? Btw its a Auto. |
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Wade Cams
Age:55 Posts: 297 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| stoj79 wrote: | Hi Chris
Could u please reccomend me a cam to suit a supercharger setup something with not alot of overlap i currently have the 1673 and also could we make it somewhat more lopey at idle
cheers steve |
Steve....more overlap is, shall we say, condusive to a lopey idle. Reduced overlap will make the idle smoother.
You could go the the 977B profile, which is just slightly "hotter" than the 1673. You could not expect to see a big difference however.
Chris |
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Wade Cams
Age:55 Posts: 297 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| sd1800 wrote: | Hi guys, I'm thinking of fitting a 1636 to my car listed in my signature. I asked a mechanic if he would be able to fit it for me but he advised against it, saying that installing a warmer cam will disrupt the internals of a motor with the mileage mine has(244,000 on the bottom end, about 75,000 on the head), and cause more problems than advantages.
Do I have anything to worry about or should I probably just leave it the way it is? Btw its a Auto. |
Your mechanic has made a valid point. It is possible that, fitting a "warmer" cam into an engine with 244,000 on the clock could place a strain on a "tired" engine. It's not a hard and fast rule one way or the other. The engine is probably due for a freshen up now or in the not too distant future. Maybe you should consider doing the "freshen up" and improved cam at the same time.
Having said all that, you could also fit the cam and have no problems. Who knows.
Chris |
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stoj79 Fordmods Tyre Shredder
Age:29 Posts: 306 Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: Taylors Hill VIC, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Chris
Ill see how i go with the 1673 for now i think in that case
Thanks for you4r advise |
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sd1800 Fordmods Newbie
Age:20 Posts: 14 Joined: 22 Nov 2007 Location: Bexley, Sydney NSW, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Wade Cams wrote: | Your mechanic has made a valid point. It is possible that, fitting a "warmer" cam into an engine with 244,000 on the clock could place a strain on a "tired" engine. It's not a hard and fast rule one way or the other. The engine is probably due for a freshen up now or in the not too distant future. Maybe you should consider doing the "freshen up" and improved cam at the same time.
Having said all that, you could also fit the cam and have no problems. Who knows.
Chris |
Ok mate, thanks for your advice & I'll keep it in mind. |
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BaYa Fordmods Oompa Loompa
Age:22 Posts: 27 Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Location: sunbury VIC, Australia
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Chris
i don't know much about cams, but from the cam list in the "6 cylinder workshop" i saw the 1636 or 1673 being my best option then saw that you recommend the 1636 to anybody with and auto, which i have so im just wondering the power differences between the standard el xr6 cam and the wade 1636 cam ? also does it add a bit of a burble the the exaust note ?
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TROYMAN Technical Contributor
Age:34 Posts: 2931 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: South Western Sydney NSW, Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: |
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hi
is there any news on the availability of billet cams for el hybrid or au..
????? |
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Wade Cams
Age:55 Posts: 297 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| BaYa wrote: | Hey Chris
i don't know much about cams, but from the cam list in the "6 cylinder workshop" i saw the 1636 or 1673 being my best option then saw that you recommend the 1636 to anybody with and auto, which i have so im just wondering the power differences between the standard el xr6 cam and the wade 1636 cam ? also does it add a bit of a burble the the exaust note ?
thanks Richard |
Richard, as far as the cam itself is concerned, the EL XR6 is virtually identical to a standard cam. The extra "power" that is attributed to the XR6, over a standard motor, must be achieved by other mods, the XR6 cam of itself will do "bugger all". So, the 1636 is an improvement, performance wise, over the XR6 cam. To be honest, l'm not sure about the exhaust note, l've never had the opportunity to listen to one.
Chris |
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Wade Cams
Age:55 Posts: 297 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| TROYMAN wrote: | hi
is there any news on the availability of billet cams for el hybrid or au..
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We got a couple of AU billets on Tuesday. They no sooner arrived and our supplier rang to say they had some concerned about the "hardness" values of batch of cams in question.
We're going to have to pre-grind a couple of lobes at random and then do a hardness test. Fingers crossed.
Chris |
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TROYMAN Technical Contributor
Age:34 Posts: 2931 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: South Western Sydney NSW, Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Wade Cams wrote: | | TROYMAN wrote: | hi
is there any news on the availability of billet cams for el hybrid or au..
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We got a couple of AU billets on Tuesday. They no sooner arrived and our supplier rang to say they had some concerned about the "hardness" values of batch of cams in question.
We're going to have to pre-grind a couple of lobes at random and then do a hardness test. Fingers crossed.
Chris |
ok can you keep us posted?
im pretty keen on gettin a billet asap.. |
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FordFairmont Fordmods - Getting Side Ways
Posts: 3483 Joined: 08 May 2007 Location: Sunny QLD, Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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nothing wrong with a regrind dude
Ive ran a few Wade regrinds and they perform just as well as a billet, and i cant say it ran any noisier than a billet. In fact my last Wade regrind made more power than my current Wade billet
Plus theyre 3 times cheaper than a billet lol |
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TROYMAN Technical Contributor
Age:34 Posts: 2931 Joined: 07 Nov 2004 Location: South Western Sydney NSW, Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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i have no doubt that a re grind will do the job fine..
but i would prefer a billet.(no shims = no probs)
i had a re grind in my old 3.9 engine that went great but it had a strange habit of breaking the 2nd shims on the exhaust side (3 times actually) for some reason.? and the constant rattle p****d me of to the point of removing the shims and re fitting the std cam..
i know a few guys who run re grinds with no rattles or problems.
but ive just become fussy and a bit lazy and i like simplicity of fitting the cam without pulling the hla's apart..
and the price dont worrie me.. |
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Wade Cams
Age:55 Posts: 297 Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne VIC, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| TROYMAN wrote: | | Wade Cams wrote: | | TROYMAN wrote: | hi
is there any news on the availability of billet cams for el hybrid or au..
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We got a couple of AU billets on Tuesday. They no sooner arrived and our supplier rang to say they had some concerned about the "hardness" values of batch of cams in question.
We're going to have to pre-grind a couple of lobes at random and then do a hardness test. Fingers crossed.
Chris |
ok can you keep us posted?
im pretty keen on gettin a billet asap.. |
The hardness scare in respect to the recently delivered AU billets has been resolved. False alarm actually.
So, the AU billets are available for anyone who wants to get one ground. |
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eseriesaddict Fordmods Oompa Loompa
Age:25 Posts: 25 Joined: 23 Mar 2008 Location: Perth WA, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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G'day
I have an ED Fairmont with a T5 box and an exhaust and a stage 1 Crow Cam. I am looking into putting in one of your 1673 cams and have been looking at Grechies build uo there and am inspired. Will the 1673 run fine with the stock ECU and is there anything else you would recommend doing to the motor to get a significant gain. I use is as a daily driver but also down for the legal drags every now and then. Would really appreciate your feedback
Thanks in advance
Jamo |
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Wade Cams
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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| eseriesaddict wrote: | G'day
I have an ED Fairmont with a T5 box and an exhaust and a stage 1 Crow Cam. I am looking into putting in one of your 1673 cams and have been looking at Grechies build uo there and am inspired. Will the 1673 run fine with the stock ECU and is there anything else you would recommend doing to the motor to get a significant gain. I use is as a daily driver but also down for the legal drags every now and then. Would really appreciate your feedback
Thanks in advance
Jamo |
The 1673 is OK with a std ECU. You need to reset it, and there is still a learning period afterwards, but it will run well, no problemo.
The more effort you're willing to put in to tuning it up properly, the better result you'll get.
Chris |
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89S-PACK Fordmods Oompa Loompa
Age:24 Posts: 20 Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Location: beaufort VIC, Australia
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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hi chris..
ive got a xf ute that has the 250 crossflow in it.
im currently recoing the motor. and wondered which cam would be better?
its on duel fuel. automatic. extractors. and i do tow with the ute.
so i cant go silly with it considering its a daily hack.
these 3 are the ones i found on your site.. but i dunno which one would be better
933
242b 328b
242a
would i need better springs with these?
the auto is standard.. and the reco engine basically is standard too.
also are these regrinds? if so how much?
and how soon could i get the cam profile i chose? |
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89S-PACK Fordmods Oompa Loompa
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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oops forgot to mention..
the motor doesnt have est anymore. a xe electronic dizzy had been fitted in its place |
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