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| -clampy- wrote: | also the heads you're looking at will be either trickflow or inlines with 1.9" valves.. so a cam to suit the rpm would want high revs and high flowing heads. it wont get either(heads wont flow all that much with the exception of the tf tws but factory donk limited at 6250rpm anyway, and heavy hyd roller drivetrain prob shuldnt rev much more than that anyway).. so ull end up with not much more power than a 'smaller' combo, except with a good smack less low and mid range torque.
give it a month(so i can finish stuff), ill let you know what AFR165s and a port matched gt40 style intake will do. both on dyno and quarter mile. my cam is in the thread i mentioned earlier.
XH, i understand you not wanting to not go the same as everyone else. i went the comp cam but every man and his dog seems to get the crane 20xx's around here(im sure its a good cam also). plus afr 165s not all that common. that said, i picked that combo because of so much evidence of great power and torque coming from mustangs with those same parts. www.corral.net is great. |
I was thinkin maybe TFS stg1 or 2, Crane 2020, or FMS e303 but am really unsure at the moment, need a bit of advice in this area. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Also clampy, did you need to notch your pistons to maintain piston/valve clearance? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: |
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got em from a1. ring em n speak to dave. tell him jamie aka clampy sent ya.
no notching, 1.9" valves. reason for afrs over edelbrocks was 1.9 165s flow as much as 2.02 performers. plus afr been receving alot of praise lately.
again, check corral out and spy peoples combos and wot cams theyre running, i went the comp xe270hr grind coz it was more open on the exhaust side, and the 165 afrs have the same zorst port as 185s.. so i figured more duration on exhaust side should match the head a bit more. if i were to do it again id get a custom cam with similar specs made from billet steel to match the stock dizzy gear.. i got 1.6 rollers coz .512" lift was plenty for my needs, plus slightly less susseptable to valve float. but again theres guys with 165s and that cam making circa 300rw torquey hp |
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Looks like i will definately be goin for the AFR 165's, just unsure as to what cam i'll go for.
Clampy, if you dont mind me asking, how much did you pick up your heads for?
Also what do you think about the cams i stated in an earlier post? |
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if u ring up a1, u should get them same price as wot i did.
yeh not too sure about the TFS cams, didnt really look into em.. the crane is good, as its very similar to the comp grind i got. the f303 is ok but im a fan of dual profile cams(dont ask me why i just like the idea of it), and the fms ones are identical profiles for intake/exhaust.
u doin the install yaself? i pulled out the stock cam before the lifters.. they fell down in to sump! so i ended up pulling motor. made it alot easier to install all the stuff, just the hassle of installing motor was a bit of a pain. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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mate go down to your local hp store and get the book 5.0l dyno tests its about 50 bucks they have over 500 dyno comparisons of different parts heads,cams etc excellent reading they state in there that FMS cams (alphabet) are old tech i went comp cams because of there modern design high lift quick ramp up do an exercise comparing different cams at advertised duration and at 50thou its interesting the difference.... as for wearing out distributor gears, mine has a synchroniser (au) and its fine?.... each to there own but do some homework and you should be able to acheive what you want  |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| XH4LWEPN - custom Tell them everything about your car from diff ratios to the weight of your car. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| -clampy- wrote: | | u doin the install yaself? i pulled out the stock cam before the lifters.. they fell down in to sump! so i ended up pulling motor. made it alot easier to install all the stuff, just the hassle of installing motor was a bit of a pain. |
Yeah mate i will be. Haha, dont worry mistake of pulling cam out before lifters will only happen once  .They will all be lifted out with the magnetic stick first.
I will be lifting the motor all the way out anyway. Have a new clutch, flyhweel, rear main and spigot bearing to fit aswell. Will probably also do the sump gasket, core plugs and paint the block up and anything else i may think while its on the stand. The box will be coming out aswell as its in need of a recon, synchros arent the best.
Speaking of boxes how much did the 6spd conversion set you back and did you do it yourself? |
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| fairy v8 wrote: | | mate go down to your local hp store and get the book 5.0l dyno tests its about 50 bucks they have over 500 dyno comparisons of different parts heads,cams etc excellent reading they state in there that FMS cams (alphabet) are old tech i went comp cams because of there modern design high lift quick ramp up do an exercise comparing different cams at advertised duration and at 50thou its interesting the difference.... as for wearing out distributor gears, mine has a synchroniser (au) and its fine?.... each to there own but do some homework and you should be able to acheive what you want |
Cheers fairy v8, might have to get my a*** down there and get some of these books. I take it its a yankee book as they are the guns when it comes to the 5.0L. |
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| One Drone wrote: | | XH4LWEPN - custom Tell them everything about your car from diff ratios to the weight of your car. |
One Drone, who would you reccomend to have the custom grind done by? |
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| yeah usa books really useful do chapters comparing different brands of same components , strokers,superchargers etc its by cartech=5.0l ford dyno tests by Richard Holdener........ another good one is by motorbooks =how to build and modify ford fuel-injected 5.0 litre v8 engines by Tom Wilson really worth buying |
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| i have the 2020 crane cam with performer manifold, works great from around 1500 or so to 5000g. pretty good for a good streeter i think. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| fairy v8 wrote: | | yeah usa books really useful do chapters comparing different brands of same components , strokers,superchargers etc its by cartech=5.0l ford dyno tests by Richard Holdener........ another good one is by motorbooks =how to build and modify ford fuel-injected 5.0 litre v8 engines by Tom Wilson really worth buying |
All this talk about books reminds me that I still have your book Clampy.
If/when I one day get the cash to spend on the car, I will be going AFR165s as well. Not really gonna look into it too much until I have some cash behind me though. |
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| gunit18 wrote: | | i have the 2020 crane cam with performer manifold, works great from around 1500 or so to 5000g. pretty good for a good streeter i think. |
I was sure i seen someone on here with the 2020 in their sig . Hows the idle with that cam, like can you tell its got a lumpier cam at idle? And, whats the cam like for low end torque?
Also, wanna swap upper manifolds?  |
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| Kilma wrote: | | If/when I one day get the cash to spend on the car, I will be going AFR165s as well. Not really gonna look into it too much until I have some cash behind me though. |
I was in the same boat mate, had all these ideas in my head for the ute but didnt wanna get too involved until i had the cash there to go ahead with it.
And i'd love to see some AFR165's and a decent manifold on your beast mate, would be awesome. |
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i think its the tom wilson book that you have of mine, kilma.. ill grab it off u at the york cruise then. make sure i bring it(go stick it in the car now  )
yeh xh4, i bought the car with the 6 speed..
but as far as i know its very expensive. also the unfortunate thing is that if u get the .50 ratio 6th gear you need 3.9+ diff ratio to make it useable, and they're hard to get a hold of for borg warner 78 diffs(as are 4.11s which im running).. i may end up whacking in a 9" centre tho  |
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3.9 wasnt hard to get at all, I got mine quite easily from diff technics here in Sydney. 4.11 is not that hard either
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idle is lumpy, does sound good i think anyway!!
really notice it driving in 2nd and i love giving it some stick on the highway in 3rd from about 2800 onwards...haha
and i think i will stick with my performer thank u!
think it's a very good streeter cam, good torque where u need it
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2020's have lots of low down torque and will run through to mid range nicely but drops off well before hitting the high rpm's.
Good street cam, great with launches. |
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the comp cam on mine is hitting peak power at 5850.
and its pretty torquey down low but i cant compare it there since thats going on feel and i havent driven a car with the 2020. |
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