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slycruza
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 Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: MSD ignition setup |
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howz it goin everyone!
just a quick querry im in the process of doin a lot of wotk to my car eg.. massive headwork and twin throts.. its at the mechanic now and he mentioned to me msd ignition setup for a larger spark which aparently is more performance..and economy i just brought the ngk iridium spark plugs and dropped them of to him today.. and thats when he mentioned it to me??
any one used it??? or know the benifts??? is it worth doin????
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| a mate (svo xr6) has done his ignition and as far as i know it did some good. im interested in this twin throttle body yah talked about. is there a thread here somewere? if not can yah fill us in. ie whos doin it and what $$ it was. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Pauli.
IT'S Performance do a twin TB setup. I saw a picture of it on the IT'S thread the other day.
Slycruza.
MSD make several different ignition systems. The most popular and cheapest is the "6AL" ignition. I use it in my dragster. The 6AL is a capacitive discharge ignition with a guaranteed spark duration of 20 degrees of crank rotation. It does this by firing the plugs twice at speeds below 3000rpm and once above 3000rpm. I use a Bosch HEC617 Coil with mine. These are similar to the standard Bosch coil used in EL Falcons. The 6AL can be operated off a crank trigger or either points Dizzies or Electronic Dizzies. On the dragster we use a Ford Duraspark electronic Dizzy.
There are a few brand of aftermarket multi-spark ignition systems. They include MSD, Mallory, Holley and Crane. |
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| thanks guys thats helpful.. yeah im gettin the manifold with the throttle body and pipework for about 1500 but i everyone recomends u do the computer do the job properly thats y i brought the autronic sm2 which cost me 2800 to buy and then u need about 1500 to put it... its worth it at the end of the day cause ill proberly do a massive turbo setup by the end of the year as well and all i have to do is retune it.. and i can run antilag..rotational idle..launch control..traction control.. etc.. |
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I forgot to mention that you might be able to pick one up from 9psieb.
I got my MSD from him. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| ok...so how do i get in contact with him?? what does he do for him to have them?? |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| What sort of performance gains can be found by using something like this ? |
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I picked up alotta tourque.
I use the Crane Hi6s and the LX91 coil.
I also got mine from Jamie. |
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| Waggin wrote: | | What sort of performance gains can be found by using something like this ? |
The engine fully burns the fuel so you gain power as a result.
This is especially true of a methanol powered motor like my dragster. the Stoichiometric ratio of methanol is around 6:1 compared to petrol at around 14:1. Sorry, I don't have the exact ratios at hand. |
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| SVO XR6 wrote: | I picked up alotta tourque.
I use the Crane Hi6s and the LX91 coil.
I also got mine from Jamie. |
I've bean toying with the idea of fitting my old Pro Comp 6AL into my Falcon. It was not suitable for the dragster, as the adjustable rev limiter would change from the vibration. That's why we changed to the MSD which has rev limiter "pills" plugged into them. |
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The crane has a rev limiter aswell.
I use the Bosch 4 post plugs with it.  |
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The Hi-6 has an adjustable limiter though, doesn't it?
With the MSD you plug in a "pill" of the desired rpm. It comes with 3000. 6000, 7000 and 8000rpm pills. But you can by pill kits with a bunch of pills for just about any rpm you want. I've seen them in the VPW catalogue. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| So Johno.. you're running all that gear off the EMS8860 ? |
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| Waggin wrote: | | So Johno.. you're running all that gear off the EMS8860 ? |
Yep, pretty much you unplug the old coil, wire in the Hi-6s, plug that into new crazy coil and off you go.
Easy.
I found it leaned out about 0.3-0.4 throughout most of the rev range, so there is proof that it burns better..
Ask anyone thtas been in my car how smooth it is at about 6000rpm, doesnt miss a beat due to the crazy amount of spark im getting. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| Epitome wrote: | The Hi-6 has an adjustable limiter though, doesn't it?
With the MSD you plug in a "pill" of the desired rpm. It comes with 3000. 6000, 7000 and 8000rpm pills. But you can by pill kits with a bunch of pills for just about any rpm you want. I've seen them in the VPW catalogue. |
Sure does, its a knob on the back of it you just turn to a desired rpm.
Works well, i got a 2 stg limiter on the EMS(soft/hard) and i got the HI6s to cut off inbetween them aswell
lol
No over revving for me |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:46 am Post subject: |
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hey svoxr6
so how much did it end up costin you to buy the stuff and put it in?? |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| so you still do all the ign timing via the 8860? |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| yeah, sure do |
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