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ed_fairmont_turbo
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Hey i was known as ebman40 before but this is my new username, I have almost finished my turbo setup, here's a list of my parts:
Ef 4.0 block bored 30thou decked, honed and chemicaly cleaned, Ef crank balanced, ed rods shot peened, polished, machined and balanced for new bearings, new arp bolts
Ed race series pistons 8.6:1
Ed 4.0 Head port matched and polished, re-faced valves and new valve seats, crow stage 2 cam
Garret T4 High Flowed with tuned length manifold, 45mm external wastegate, rising rate fuel press reg
Wolf v4 Engine managment with laptop, Pro comp msd, Pro comp Coil, 870cc injectors, 600hp fuel pump
3inch mandrel bent exhaust
xr6 t5z spec gearbox with 5 puk exedy tuff racing clutch, el xr6 lsd
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xf_xr6
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| looking good mate.... keep us posted!
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Disco Frank
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:49 am Post subject: |
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looks sick as man 
any idea on estimated power outputts?
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ebs_4l
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:44 am Post subject: |
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you obviously going to be shooting for some 400kw+ numbers, based on the size of your injectors combined with the rising rate reg... you will have more than enough fuel to poke a stick at..
depending on how much power you do want, that pump may hold you back at 350rwkw
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fonzy_69er
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| looking good.
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ebs_4l
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| ed_fairmont_turbo wrote: | | I'm looking for about 400rwkw for comps and 260rwkw for everyday use, u rekon i need 2 of those pumps? |
definately mate, i would not try get that sort of figure without seeing a bare minimum of 4l/min return flow... i want you to work out for me what sort of fuel pressure you will be seeing at your intended max boost??? starting at 42psi, and add however many psi your reg increases for every pound of boost....
THEN, set your fuel pressure to that max pressure level, and test how much flow you get from the return line... as an example, with my bosch 044 and turbosmart street 1:1 reg, i will be seeing 42+16.5psi = 58psi fuel pressure, i flow tested my system at 60psi and got a return flow figure of exactly 4l/min
it is normal practise to have atleast 20% extra available flow JUST IN CASE...
i calculate that at 400rwkw you will be just over 700fwhp, therefore, you will be consuming roughly 3.4l/min... add to that the headroom, and you will need 4l/min.
now with the rising reg, you will be well over 60psi, more like 75psi probably, and the flow from the pump will drop considerably..
my suggestion is you ditch the rising rate reg, they arent good for anything other than trying to patch up an underfuelling problem when either you have too small injectors, or you have no tuning ability with a std ecu, with full management, you should be using a 1:1 reg...
and use atleast one 044
oh, also m8, are you sure that turbo is upto the task??? is it capable of 700+HP, and that t5-z, dont expect that to last for one second with 400rwkw pumping through it, especially 3rd gear
just my 2c worth, including gst
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Big Kev
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| some serious money going into this then. T56 certainly aint cheap ... soundin good so far..Be good to see if u get the mark your after.
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Demo_efman
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| Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| looking good - as big kev said t56 arent cheap - go a beefed up t5 still will be good - and will handle the power!! will be good to hear some final power figures - cause there is some good work gone into this!!
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ebs_4l
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| Demo_efman wrote: | | go a beefed up t5 still will be good - and will handle the power!! |
what sort of beefed up t5 do you have in mind??
and what sort of power do you think it will handle??
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IMPRTETA
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are u going to keep that intake manifold?
mine leaned out on number 1 and 6 broke the ring lands on both.
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ebs_4l
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| you needed a tuner that paid more attention to things like cylinder distribution then....
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EL XR8
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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TKO would be stronger than a T56. Otherwise if the TKO s**t itself, your gonna need a toploader or go auto.
Also, i'd hate to see the attention from the constabulary you're gonna receive with that cooler hangin out like that.
You didn't have to kill that Z spec box, i would've more than happily put it to good use. 
One more thing, well done on the setup, for a 19 year old!!! 
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ebs_4l
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what power are you making now?? did 3rd gear let go???
im going to try my luck with a R154 toyota box....
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ed_fairmont_turbo
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah it was 3rd gear that blew and very easily too, i rekon it's putting out about 225 - 250rwkw i haven't even had it dyno tuned yet, i got one of the qld wolf distributers to street tune it for fuel economy with 10psi boost and i guess it was too much for the t5z, i'm going to get it dyno tuned with the new gearbox and go for some serious power anywhere between 350rwkw and 400rwkw will do, check out this site and see what you rekon about these boxes.
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-5.asp
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EBXR8380
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Go TKO they are around half the $$$ of a T5/6..
You don't need the close gears ayway..
With 4.0's looong stroke they produce SOOooo much torque.. It breaks transmissions easy..
Talk to Mal Wood .....
TKO's are tronger than TOP Loaders by alongshot...
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ebs_4l
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3rd gear lasts about 3 secs once i flick it to high boost in mine...
i was going to go with the gforce a***, i spent a couple of weeks researching the pros/cons of it all, it is apparent that the t5's achilles heel is the case, it flexes too much, which allows the gears (especially 3rd since it has the least bearing support) to run out of mesh slightly, once the gears start to run on the tips of the teeth its ALL OVER, i decided it would be a complete waste of money to spend that sort of $ on the T5, when there is tried and tested stronger alternatives, ie. the R154... you will find lots of evidence of BIG HP cars using these boxes, and the only weak point i could find was a thrust washer behind 1st gear, if you replace that then there is no other problems to be had from what i found.... some 600+ rwhp supras use them. they are among the strongest factory 5spds avaliable
i like the R154 due to its cost also, i will be able to do the conversion myself for about $2500. try buy and fit a t56, tko600 for that price. that includes a custom built carbotic button clutch from Jim Berry.
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aaron_hogan
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build a c10 with a c9 convertor and a Torque-Power bellhousing.
Restrict your mods to a drilled intermediate plate (aka shift kit), rear case oiling mod, high flowed pump cover, 5 pack of quality clutches, kevlar bands and an R or H code servo.
A box like that shouldn't cost much over $1500, Bellhousing $600, Convertor ??? (you might have to track one down from an XB then get it modded). I've just home-built this combo to go behind a BA conversion. You could get out of it cheaper depending on how much you are prepared to learn about autos.
A TKO is $4600 RRP from Mal Wood and is rated in terms of torque handling capability, not horsepower. Be careful to get what you pay for as i've had morons trying to convince me that their TR3550's are TKO's. 
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