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voxace
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| Can you believe anything you read on April 1st? |
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twr7cx
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Just read an article in the cars guide about an update to the Fairlanes. maybe this is part of it. |
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sounds good... if only the box was making it into all falcons..
still.. will make an XR6 different mechanically to an XT and thats gotta b a good thing |
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Kit
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I know Ford America have just invested heavily in a new 6 speed automatic, and factory space to build them. It is a RWD setup that they want for their Falcon sized sedans. I'll try and find the link........here goes...BTW while I'm doing that search, did you know that the 2 guys from Google started with a basic server in a back shed a few years ago.
They are now 150,000 pc's strong with a work force of over 2000 people.
The cafeteria in their workplace has a permanent Gourmet chef employed to cook El La Carte everyday.
The 2 guys are now worth 6 Billion dollars each. Lucky pricks!
Here we go guys. It's only a matter of time now. I can even see these in the base model XT or 2007 Falcon. They could be that affordable if built by Ford America.
Enjoy. 
http://www.auto-report.net/index.html?ford6r.html
Here's another link with a GM additive um...added. Interesting one this one.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?n=156,173&sid=173&article=7060&pf=1 |
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twr7cx
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| xpression wrote: | sounds good... if only the box was making it into all falcons..
still.. will make an XR6 different mechanically to an XT and thats gotta b a good thing |
It's definately time that the XR6 becomes more than an XT with bodykit and sports interior. The 6 speed transmissions are a start, butI still think they need a bit of a power boost over the XT's and that.
I wonder if a 6 speed auto XR6 will be able to beat a 4 speed auto XT down the quater now? |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| i just hope it isnt to hard to fit it to the earlier falcons. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| well id image it would be very hard to get the electronics to work with it and the other thing beeing cost wouldnt be cheap for one |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Its a good idea thats for sure, but seriously with the 110km limit these days where the hell are you going to go to test out the 6 speeds full potential.  |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Logically, more gear ratios means that first could be not so stupidly tall - have it max out at say 50 instead of 90. That could only lead to better acceleration. I'd imagine that diff ratios could also be changed with more gears to play with. |
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| fnp wrote: | | Logically, more gear ratios means that first could be not so stupidly tall - have it max out at say 50 instead of 90. That could only lead to better acceleration. I'd imagine that diff ratios could also be changed with more gears to play with. |
Yeh, that was my thinking, it shouldnt be too hugely complicated (think 4spd into 3spd EA) plus this new box has to co exist with the old 4spd auto, so they cant change a huge amount of stuff around |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Thats not true.
Given that the Control is done by the ECU, the programming for the two gearboxes can be completely different if ford wants. The difference is that the 6 speed needs more control solenoids.. The solution : Just dont use the additional i/o on the ECU and a different ECU Flash.
I wouldnt count on this being an easy upgrade using the ECU Method.
HOWEVER... if any of those other cars that use the gearbox have a stand-alone controller (a fair possibility) then you could perhps use that. Think about it : The ZF boxen have been used in other markets for a while.
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1st gear to 50km/h?? Unless the BA has less poke off the line than an EL... i have enough traction issues in the wet as it is with the 4 speeder and 3.08 open diff... (maybe it's cuz im running stock tires that have had the life torn from them on 15" rims though  ) |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| haggis wrote: | | 1st gear to 50km/h?? Unless the BA has less poke off the line than an EL... i have enough traction issues in the wet as it is with the 4 speeder and 3.08 open diff... (maybe it's cuz im running stock tires that have had the life torn from them on 15" rims though ) |
Yeah but I bet you don't have too many traction issues in the dry.
Come on, it's a well known fact that the BTR has an extremely tall annoying 1st gear ratio. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| voxace wrote: | | haggis wrote: | | 1st gear to 50km/h?? Unless the BA has less poke off the line than an EL... i have enough traction issues in the wet as it is with the 4 speeder and 3.08 open diff... (maybe it's cuz im running stock tires that have had the life torn from them on 15" rims though ) |
Yeah but I bet you don't have too many traction issues in the dry.
Come on, it's a well known fact that the BTR has an extremely tall annoying 1st gear ratio. |
Oh for sure, traction in the dry is pretty well fine, and i am all too aware of how annoyingly tall our 1st gear is (and 2nd, and 3rd), but im willing to sacrifise acceleration it if it means i can drive around in the wet. unless of course the standard tires fitted to the 6 speed cars have improved wet condition traction - which im sure they will. in that case, bring them holdungs on  |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The models which have the 6 speed auto should have traction control as standard I'd imagine. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| voxace wrote: | | The models which have the 6 speed auto should have traction control as standard I'd imagine. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Haggis you'll find better tyres and wider tyres will make a difference.
Don't forget that the 6 speed is only being fitted to performance and luxury model cars - that means that most of them will have 17/18" wheels and probably a decent set of tyres from the factory. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah its something i have to look into... i'll do it after the braided brake lines, and the mandrel intake. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 12:57 am Post subject: |
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An update on the ZF 6-speeder auto for our Falcon and Territory's.
Testing still continues on home grown Falcons in Germany.
Ford expects them to be in our sedans in October, to counter Holden's plan's for a Hydro 6 speed auto in all Commodore sedans starting with the VE variant *
Adding to that, Ford has been told that it's current 4.0L I6 must meet the new Euro III emission standards by the end of the year. Which it currently does not. Therefore there is a 90% chance that there will be an updated version of the current I6 to go with the new ZF 6 speed in October. Stay tuned
* denotes that GM America has just pulled the plug on GMH's Zeta rear drive, world car platform project. And may spell the end to American GM rear wheel drive cars in the near future. GMH have stated that the current VE Commodore is too advanced to be affected by this, but as GMH is driven by GM America, if they decide there will be no further rear wheel drivers. The VE could be the second last rear wheel drive Commodore ever.
Adding to GM's financial difficulties. The final tally of GM's FIAT fiasco is now known. GM have lost a total of 4.4 BILLION dollars in the acquisition, and then the subsequent failure of Fiat. Money that has according to them. Gone straight down the drown.
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