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cabridge
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 Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:10 pm Post subject: pods vs panel |
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| just wondering, what do you people think about pods in the stock air box?? is a quality panel filter better than a pod? or would a heat shielded, cold air inducted pod be better? |
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eed-250
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| Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| pod will always be better if set up properly, ie heat sheilded. |
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Lukieman
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:58 am Post subject: |
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The pod is great... like said, if set up in the correct place... Ford didn't leave a whole lot of room in the engine bay for a pod to be installed in direct fresh airflow. If you install it without it suckin in fresh air, watch your fuel consumption go up a bit.
Maybe install a air scoop near/above the pod??? Been thinkin about it... 
Anyhoo... no real gains in power once installed, sounds cool @ 2am though!!! lol 
I'd prolly go with a K&N panel filter for the standard box, I rekon it would be the best.
Here are some ways I have installed my pod filter....
My first attempt to mount it, straight of the ducting, removed the airbox...
Second attempt, bought a 2nd duct from a wrecker and some piping, mounted it behind the firewall where the windsheild washer bottle would go. (Yes, my fuel rail is polished) |
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Disco Frank
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 10:31 am Post subject: |
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mmm thats a nice idea!
i think u will still be sucking in hot air the nest idea is to use the setup from the first pic and add some heatsheilding verticalll on the left side of the pod on the4 chassis rail up anbd sealling agains bonnet( looking from the pic ) then add an AU xr8 s3 tickford snorkel through this sheild to pipe cold air to it
i wish i had a pic to explain but i dont.
ps i pod will allow more airflow over a panel for the fact there is more surface area in the pod filter than the panel |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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you should get a snorkel up the side of yer windscreen if you want clean fresh air... might look a bit "out-there" though!!  |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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The first thing you should work out is if you need a different filter at all! Refering to many autospeed articals where they found that removing the factory filter entirely made little or no difference to the pressure in the inlet manifold.
Most of the time it's the airbox itself, However if you convert to a pod filter that is sucking in hot air your much more likely to deacrease power rather than increase! Plus you might like to think about what happens in heavy rain or through puddles or dust etc. So go ahead but make sure it is done properly.
Can anyone who has tested with a temp probe/and or pressure sensor or Dyno figures confirm what gains can be made to the intake?
Lukieman: You intake looks like it will absorb alot of heat and be more restrictive than the 1st intake. Running right along the length of your engine and using convoluted tubing, also the top rear of your engine bay is probabily the hottest! |
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data_mine
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I say unless you've got a very high breathing engine (cam/head work etc.) just go a K&N panel filter and the XR8 snorkel. That's waht I've done, and in two stages, panel first, not only I, but other drivers noticed the difference in throttle response. Then I added the snorkel (and for $35 why not), again both myself and other drivers noticed the change (two of these other drivers were tested 'blind' so to speak, they had no idea I'd changed anything. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| OK this is probably the 6,254,498 time this topic has come up on this site. Like everyone has said before on N/A- 4.0Litre 6 Cyl, Pod usually gives more noise and no more power gains and if fitted without a heat shield or not in the Airbox can have a negative power effect. I have tried a POD setup in my Airbox and it was all perfectly encapulated in it and all. But in the end I didnt get the desired extra power I thought I could get over a K&N Panel filter. So went back to the Panel Filter and have been happier ever since. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Im in the process of a pod filter set up
ss induction, air box and a pod. But i chopped the top of the lid off and am trying to source a sequential scoop to ram air into the boz aswell
im goin to seal the open air box to the bonnet when closed.
evebn now, with the open air box, it seems to go a lil better over the KnN pannel |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| SVO XR6 wrote: | | evebn now, with the open air box, it seems to go a lil better over the KnN pannel |
you noticing a difference already johno? how are you going about sealing the box in? remi is talking about making a custom box out of perspex to contain the pod etc - maybe worth a look? |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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looked into it, but why not work with what i already got?
i did something simular on my EA.
Im goin to use a bit a foam, i think its aircon foam. |
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uglybob
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| nah i meant to extend the top of yours - i.e keep what you've got there, but work with a perspex mould maybe to figure out what would be best to fit in with the sequential scoop? |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, you got it
just use some plasctic sheet s**t |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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hey, just a question, does anyone have a pic of where the au xr8 snorkel goes??, like, im assuming it goes from the airbox or something, and then out to where??
if anyone has the, pics of where it gets attatched to the intake, and where the opening for cold air intake is, would be great, it sounds like a cheap, easy mod, wouldnt mind looking into it on account of the new sports exhaust is going on the car on the 4th, so a bit of help either side of the motor would be great!
ive noticed once thing about the throttle reponse in the el, when the air filters in, it lags a lil bit, take it out, its almost instant, also the increase in power at lower speeds is noticable, and when u tap the accelerator to 1/4 on grass and have to use the brakes to stop it spinning, then u notice.
with the filter in(the standard, crappy air flow, pieca s**t airfilter)when u knock to throttle to 1/4 and hold it, and wait a bit for spin, by which time the cars already driven 3-5 meters, u notice.
thanks again, and best be off.
oh one more thing, my mother refuses to believe that a new sports exhaust(as apposed to the colapsed original exhaust thats on the el atm), can someone please tell her that it will reduce fuel consumption.
thanks...bya! |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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the snorkel is self-explanitary - open the bonnet and you'll see where it has to go!  replace the existing one with the AU one! it connects to the airbox to allow airflow! |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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lol, thats what i always say to the olds, "yeah, the new cam goin in is ground for eco"  |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| SVO XR6 wrote: | | "yeah, the new cam goin in is ground for eco" |
yeah i've heard the same - custom stg 4 cams are def for someone looking for both idle quality, and fuel efficiency!  |
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Disco Frank
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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taken from aufalcon.com 
| Quote: | Installing a Pod filter inside the standard AU Airbox.
This is a pretty simple mod, and is pretty discreet.
The parts required:
3 inch length of 65mm PVC stormwater pipe, about 2$ from Bunnings
TFI Racing Pod Filter + Clamp, $30 from Supercheap Auto
TFI Racing Air Filter Adapter part#: 9018 $40 from Autobarn
30cms of 80mm Air Duct, approx $25 - $35 per 1 meter length from Autobarn
T Series air intake snorkel, $25 from a ford Dealer
2 clamps of about 80mm size. $10 from autobarn
Remove the standard snorkel, and replace with the T series snorkel.
This may require some reshaping with a Stanley knife to get it to fit the spot where it’s screwed in. If it’s not altered it can stop the bonnet from closing properly in some AU Models.
Remove the airbox lid and toss the paper filter from inside the box.
Next we disassemble the standard ford rubber adapter that is already attached to the outside of the airbox lid where the main intake pipe comes in from the engine. Remove it and set it aside.
Take your new steel adapter, and instead of having it pointing outwards in a standard way towards the engine intake, you reverse it so it points inwards inside the airbox lid.
Now take the standard rubber adapter, you will notice it has a raised plastic funnel that fits inside the airbox in its normal configuration. This wont fit inside the new steel adapter, so we need to trim it down to the same level as the outer ring of this funnel. I did this with a Swiss army knife. Shape it down flat so it will form a nice seal against the steel adapter.
Once done, throw some Silastic or gasket goo into the gap between the inner and outer ring of the rubber adapter.
Now attach the steel adapter to the rubber adapter and bolt into place (With the original bolts not the ones supplied with the steel adapter). The rubber should give a good seal against the steel plate, and the gasket goo/Silastic should ensure the seal stays secure.
Next we insert the 65mm pvc pipe inside the rubber flange of the airpod and install a clamp to hold it in place, this will lend rigidity to the flange. Then attach the 80mm ducting over the top of the 65mm pipe and clamp it in place.
Cut the ducting to fit inside your airbox, then clamp the other end of the ducting to the steel adapter.
Rest the pod inside the airbox, clip the lid back down and reattach the standard intake pipe to the rubber adapter. All done.
If you want, you can take this further by purchasing another steel adapter and placing it back to back with the other adapter so you can run 80mm ducting up to the throttle body. Just put some Silastic between the two plates to ensure its sealed. You may also want to install a secondary intake into the airbox, this is recommended as the pod will try and draw a lot of air. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Just on an ED, my snorkle kinda sits in a little rut type area, now when you are saying to fit an XH snorkel i'm thinking i have to chope both of thos two thingys around the standard snorkel. it is hard with out pics if anyone could post to help me explain it. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| fun_on_rear_demister_4u wrote: | | hey, just a question, does anyone have a pic of where the au xr8 snorkel goes??, like, im assuming it goes from the airbox or something, and then out to where?? |
http://fordmods.datamine.tk/shownnshine04/IMG_1567.jpg
Pic of mine when I installed it recently. It replaces you're exisiting intake snorkel. (the old on is on top. ie new one already installed) |
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