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tickford_6
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| MO wrote: | SR20 - i looked at doing the same to my mark1 escort. I looked at all the options and the SR20 made the most power for the least $$. A zetec and turbo setup would cost well in excess of the standard sr20 set up and would be difficult to get bits for - all custom made - there are kits in the UK but they are all top dollar. The sr20 comes standard with 164kw running only 8psi. Add aftermarket ecu, exhuast and more boost and 190kw is easy. Cosworths are great but are far too expensive. expensive to buy and for parts and to modify. A good cossie motor will cost 10k - an sr20 will be about $2.5k for the motor and gearbox. spend the balance on fitting and add ons and it will piss on the cosworth. Machine off the nissan badges and polish the covers and it will take a few people a while to work out what it is. I do not think there would be too much weight difference in the zetec and the sr20 - if anything i think the sr would be lighter.
The sr20 gearbox is alright to so that would save your the $2500 to buy the supra box. Decision is easy - SR20 |
you're right an SR20 is the best bang for your buck option,
but i think if you had the cash the cosworth YBT is a better engine and has far more potential then an SR20 .
at the point of 7500 to 8000rpm 350hp that an SR20 can do semi-reliable a cosworth YBT laughs at it and runs all the to 9000rpm and well past 500HP befor even thinking of needing things like better rods (if there is such a thing under $3000) and then start looking at head porting and the likes.
hell a YBT converted to N/A will produce 350hp |
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MO
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| For the price of the cosworth you could put the best rods money could buy into the sr20. THe cosworth is better in standard form but once you start modifying them i dont think there would be much differnce except the sr20 will cost less than half the price to do. |
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tickford_6
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i'm sorry but idon't think you understand to much about the SR20 motors.
we have a customer at work who spend $60 000 on an SR20 and is still only making 400kw (540hp)
now move on the YBT that will do that on stock rods and crank as aposed to the SR200 needing aftermarket rods and crank.
our turbo supplier has just finnished of a T4 for a YBT and reports back from the owner show that the engine is making just over 600hp. and to date has spent less the $30 000 including the buying the engine
sure SR20 are great engines and are the bulk of the work we get through here witch puts me in a position to comment about them.
but they are not the massive power house that alot of people think them to be and the get to the limmits of cost efective power very fast.
at over 250kw you need to look at better pistons
past 300kw you need to look at better rods and forget 400kw with out a 2.2 stroker if you want to keep it streetable |
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MO
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If you let one of your customers spend $60k on an sr20 without getting 400kw then you are s**t. that is outrageous and proves that you dont know what you are talking about. 600 hp from a cosworth is definately possible - how much boost though! d**k johnsons car had about this much power for qualifying and was running 35psi plus.
If you dont wanna go crazy with cash then buy an sr20. If you want ultimate horespower to win dyno comps and have an unlimited budget then you might consider a cosworth.
THe cheapest option for an easy 200kw is an sr20.
If you want to talk max possible power then forget both the cosworth and sr20 and put in a twin turbo 4.5lt nissan v8 motor, mid mount it, install a 9 inch, full cage, wheelie bars and you have a winner.
Seriously if you have $10k to spend i would go the sr20 for the better and faster option.
If you have an unlimited budget then do not pick either the sr20 or cossie and buy the biggest turbo motor you can get your hands on. THe real question is how much power do you want and how much money do you have. |
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| MO wrote: | If you let one of your customers spend $60k on an sr20 without getting 400kw then you are s**t. that is outrageous and proves that you dont know what you are talking about. 600 hp from a cosworth is definately possible - how much boost though! d**k johnsons car had about this much power for qualifying and was running 35psi plus.
If you dont wanna go crazy with cash then buy an sr20. If you want ultimate horespower to win dyno comps and have an unlimited budget then you might consider a cosworth.
THe cheapest option for an easy 200kw is an sr20.
If you want to talk max possible power then forget both the cosworth and sr20 and put in a twin turbo 4.5lt nissan v8 motor, mid mount it, install a 9 inch, full cage, wheelie bars and you have a winner.
Seriously if you have $10k to spend i would go the sr20 for the better and faster option.
If you have an unlimited budget then do not pick either the sr20 or cossie and buy the biggest turbo motor you can get your hands on. THe real question is how much power do you want and how much money do you have. |
it doesn't prove any at all as we didn't build the engine.
It's a JUN engine from japan. we are only suplying things like clutches and brakes
and we are not talking max power possible here either we are talking realistic reliable power and how each of the two engines will get there.
and personly i believe the SR20 to be a very good but over rated engine
by the way 35 PSI for a cossie is not as stupid as it sounds i've seen street cossies running up to 40PSI and last for 3 to 4 years.
turbo and more so the tunning has come along way since DJ raced the things 16 years ago |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Ahh fit the old FJ then.....
But seriously I'd fit a bigger engine when it come to a Capri...
Money no object a Cologn 3.5 V6 Cosworth....
TT Dart 400 Ci and poormans Lenco...Another |
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adzi_metallica
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey guys thanks for the overwhelming responses........since im only 19 and workin with the folks (as you can imagine aint got much money) how much do you guys rekon a sr20det conversion would be and its not for mega horsepower jus sumthing fun lets say.....300hp or sumthing like that...... |
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MO
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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SR20DET and gearbox $2500 - $3000.
Microtech/wolf - $1500
Fitting $$$ and other mods $$
If you have $10k then you should have no worries. The more you do yourself the cheaper it gets. I put an SR20 in an escort without any body mods other than relocating the gear lever hole.
Sump had to be modified and engine and gearbox mounts made up. Tailshaft cut down.
Also had to move brake booster and change brake and clutch setup - changed to hydraulic clutch.
It is never cheap to do this kind of mods so unless your dedicated dont even bother - there is not a cheap option in this case. Think about the other cars you could buy for $10 plus the sale of your current car - eg EL/ EF xr6orxr8.
Not trying to talk you out of it as it would be great when finished but just give you a few things to think about. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Hey thanks for the reply.....does anyone know where in sydney (around penrith) could i be able to get information for this conversion |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Rocco's for mech work
Rocco's Performance
Unit 5/ 24 Eddie Rd Minchinbury 2770 (02) 9625 2716
Imo I'd get a full 1/2 cut from guys like SSS Automotive Pty Ltd
Fctry 5/ 120 Gilba Rd Girraween 2145 (02) 9636 4301
That way you get computer etc front brakes, the lot....You will still need efi tank and fuel lines, efi pump...
Have a look around the place....
They can warrenty engine ..What they do is keep computer till its fitted into car..When you collect comp.Then warrenty starts...Cannot be better than that !!! |
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| Thanks for that....i called up Rocco and was told if i supply the Car and sr20......he'll put it in for 2600ish plus parts......what else would i need installed......i.e. brakes....diff......drive shaft etc....ive never done a conversion so im new to this so please excuse stupidity |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| adzi_metallica wrote: | | Thanks for that....i called up Rocco and was told if i supply the Car and sr20......he'll put it in for 2600ish plus parts......what else would i need installed......i.e. brakes....diff......drive shaft etc....ive never done a conversion so im new to this so please excuse stupidity |
i'm doing an SR20 in to a MK2 escort at the moment.
diff, we are using a modded EB diff with 3.9 gears and lsd. RS2000 tramp rods
with the falcon rear brakes
front brakes are falcon fronts from an EB. the owner is suplying a bolt on kit.
master cylinder is a 3 cylinder pedal box (front cyl, rear cyl and clutch cyl)
we're having a custom tail shaft made localy.
cutting the trans tunnel out and fitting an escort automatic trans tunnel
the only problem we are having is the intercooler. the customer doesn't want the cooler to stand out. so it's becoming a pain to find a good spot for it and still have good air flow over it. |
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| Nice.....and how much in total (if u dont mind) is this conversion costing and what parts other then what youve said are you guys including |
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In your case 3 Ltr Capri brakes...Maybe better rotors and calipers?
I think the older Skyline diif is about right length wise ?
The Aussie Non irs version...Bw much the same as Fords diff... |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:52 am Post subject: |
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I have a twin cam escort pedal box. This is the factory pedal box with i master cylinder shared for front and rear brakes and 1 master cylinder for clutch. This is the same pedal box i used for my sr20 escort. I used a Supra intercooler that will fit perfectly and can be bought for about $200. Not too bad for a factory intercooler.
If you want to by the pedal box let me know - you will need to buy 2 new master cylinders to go on it but it will bolt into you car. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| adzi_metallica wrote: | | Nice.....and how much in total (if u dont mind) is this conversion costing and what parts other then what youve said are you guys including |
we are charging $3000 pluss parts.
in this case it was hard to give a total price as the customer is suplying parts when he can and we call him first befor ordering any.
for a basic swap $2500 pluss parts would be on the money.
but we are doing some extra things with this car out side of the conversion.
other parts are thing like new gaskets where needed, new flywheen,
H/D clutch
doing all of our own cooler and exhaust piping, custom cooler.
posibly fitting the 180SX speedong to the escort dash.
using a world cup crossmember (stronger mounts)
for your car the V6 GT vented front brakes should be enough. and in our case would have been fine as well as a direct bolt swap. but the customer wanted the falcon brakes and 5 stud bolt patern.
you may have problems with the trans tunnel being to small, the easy fix is one from an auto modle.
there are a number of diffs that would suit your car. modified falcon or hilux diffs are plenty strong.
there are also alot of stronger parts for the capri ATLAS axle. try serching for sites in the UK and getting the parts through a company called QUIKCO there good for old english ford parts |
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Capri V6 /Atlas diffs are expensive..Imo use std until you get one sorted..
Diffs from small Jap trucks work o/k too with disc brake... |
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