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XR9UTE
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Time for an update on the conversion...
For those that didn't know; The AU 5.0L Balancer is not useable because it has the wrong pulley location to work with EB-EL style accessories, the pulley is not removable, the 50oz imbalance is not compatible with the 351s' 28oz, and the Encoder wheel is pressed onto a large diameter step on the back.
With this in mind it was decided to make a new Encoder wheel that has a smaller centre hole for pressing onto a small diameter step machined into the back of the stock Balancer.
Shown(sorry bout the blurry pic) on the left is the AU balancer assembly and the new 351 assembly on the right.
Luckily the EB-EL timing covers already have the mounting holes for the Crank sensor so owners of those vehicles only need machine the step in the back of their stock Balancer to allow a Direct ignition conversion using our new Encoder wheel design.
The short goes together this weekend. More pics soon.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting indeed. Looking forward to more pics Pete!  |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| lookin good, I like those heads you have, very nice. |
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XR9UTE
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Ok here's the bottom end together. You can see the nice rubber pan gasket with steel inserts that prevent over tightening of the bolts. They also give you these blue plastic dowels for holding the gasket in place...bloomin marvelous!
Made an interesting discovery....the Balancer on 351's sits further out than that of a 5.0L. It means that the pulley is now 5mm further out than it should be. It's no big deal because there is plenty of running area on the water pump pulley and it will actually help shock tower clearance because I can just space the brackets out further.
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XR9UTE
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Here is the short with High Energy pan.
and the long with rockers and pushrods loosely in place. The pushrods are Trend 0.080" thick one piece and are 7.7" long for the reduced base circle hydraulic roller cam. Rockers are 1.7:1 Cobra bolt on type. Head bolts are ARP and come with hardened washers.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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Here it's wearing the new short EFI suitable rocker covers. These are a short version of the Ford Racing tall rocker covers but with nothing written on them.
Here the extra deck height of 351 is apparent.
and finally dressed up with intake and distributor.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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Looks absolutely amazing. Any mods required to fit the HE sump in the XE?
Lol, how many engines laying around in the workshop?? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| 4.9 EF Futura wrote: | Looks absolutely amazing. Any mods required to fit the HE sump in the XE?
Lol, how many engines laying around in the workshop?? |
Put it this way...I told HE what car it was going into so there better not be!
It was supposed to have been made out of an F-series one with the smooth pan rail. I sent it to them, they stuffed around for 5 weeks then they sent me one made out of a dimpled rail type pan!?!? I had to ask them to send my F-series one back!? Of course I had to fill the dimples in so I could use it with the one piece silicone gasket!
There are 4 Clevelands and one FE in there and also the Cougar 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Ok, not long to go now....
Here's the Felpro 1250's in place.
And here it is sitting in the bay.
And here with the EB-L brackets on it. I need to go with a remote reservoir power steer pump to give room for the inlet tubing.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:09 am Post subject: |
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Have I missed something Pete  , why is a dissy fitted? |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Quick Q Pete. Do you have another lower fro the RPM manifold lying around. Reason i ask is that my RPM Manifold is for a 5.0, and wont fit my new 351 block. Also, can you send me a PM with your last name so i can send you my ECU as we discussed late last month
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Damage wrote: | | Have I missed something Pete , why is a dissy fitted? |
I need to get the car going asap. So I can just plug everything in as before I used the distributor ignition. The EDIS will happen soon after. I still have to make CID encoder and I'll modify the AU engine harness to plug into the ED EECIV main harness.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:35 am Post subject: |
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| TerroristGHIA wrote: | Quick Q Pete. Do you have another lower fro the RPM manifold lying around. Reason i ask is that my RPM Manifold is for a 5.0, and wont fit my new 351 block. Also, can you send me a PM with your last name so i can send you my ECU as we discussed late last month
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No I don't have another Performer lower lying around....I bought it new from VPW(yeah I know I was surprised they had one too!).
A new one from them should be in the $500-$600 range I would think.
I already PM'd you with my last name before. Didn't you get it?
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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Got it, thanks, and ecu on the way
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ok Folks here's the mods required to the alternator bracket to clear the block ground strap boss(the bolt boss sticking out below the head in the shot below) which now gets in the way thanks to the taller deck height.
Here is the before shot...
And after...
It seems these EFI type rocker covers do have enough clearance for the alternator...
Might have to reclock the regulator housing for clearance. |
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XR9UTE
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| TerroristGHIA wrote: | Got it, thanks, and ecu on the way
Brett |
No wuckers,
Hey you sure don't want a Performer lower if you're doing a big inch windsor though. You'll need the Victor 5.8 at a minimum.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, but i already have an RPMII for the 5.0, and i like it a lot. Not after Horsepower, after Torque and lots of it. Will be on the bottle to make up for any short comings in the HP department
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| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:33 am Post subject: |
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I can see a few docos in development here  "How to fit a 351W to a X series" and "How to fit a EB/EL 5.0L serpentine belt setup to a 351W"
Pete, do you know how to make pretty looking arrows etc in photo editing software to point out things in pictures? |
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XR9UTE
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| TerroristGHIA wrote: | Yea, but i already have an RPMII for the 5.0, and i like it a lot. Not after Horsepower, after Torque and lots of it. Will be on the bottle to make up for any short comings in the HP department
Brett |
I still think you need the Victor. The runners are so small on the Performer that you'll actually reduce torque on a 400+ inch engine.
Remember they only make a Performer for 351 not an RPM which does have a bigger runner cross-section.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, Fired it up last wednesday night then after some clutch line bleeding and some other small items I drove it all day Sunday and it runs mint.
I ran it with the stock A3M1(A9L service replacement) EECIV, stock 19lb inj and stock 55mm Maf for the moment. You can feel the restriction of the MAF but it's got wicked torque and you can drive along at 40k in top gear no worries. I think some 3:1 gears will suit this engine better too.
Sure is good to have the 'Loader back in it too.
I'm now running around with a 1DFA eec and the TwEECer just as a test for a guys' EB XR8....runs sweet as running the stock cal(only turned on thermofan control using the TwEECer).
I must admit it does sound a little too loud(but bloody nice!) at present but a 2 1/2" twin with no tailpipes will do that. The idle is smooth as it should be with the smallest hyd roller available from Comp and yet it sounds tough. Touch enough to have everyone rubber neckin at traffic lights going WTF!? Of course that mean't I had to dodge the Pork about 5 times on Sunday!
Some other problems to be solved before running were;
power steering pump to inlet tube clearance.
The picture below shows what we did to the pump to effectively make the stock reservoir into a "manifold" for the fluid. The filler neck was cut down to within 10mm of the reservoir body. We machined a nylon bung with an O-ring groove and used it to plug the hole with two small screws to secure it. We were originally going to use the stock cap and screw that on but the filler neck does in fact taper to a smaller diameter at the base. Note also that we cut off the original 5/16" return barb and made a bolt through brass fitting using a bulkhead fitting silver soldered to a cut down 3/4" barb. This allows maximum gravity feed from the remote reservoir.
I also had to get the stock XE power steer pressure hose increased in length by about 125mm.
Here's the whole thing mounted up with a Ford Focus reservoir.
and the view from the top...You can see also the blockoff plate I made for the A/C compressor to keep the s@#t out of it while I sort out new lines and a new posi for the receiver/dryer.
The next problem was the serpentine belt. 2690 is the stock 5.0 length.
The next readily available size was a 2720 which had only enough tension to keep it on the pulleys and no more. There is a 2715 but no-one seemed to have one in Perth. So I switched to an AU 5.0 top idler pulley which is larger in diameter than an EB-EL one and got the tension I needed using the 2720.
Yes I know the coil bracket is disgusting and the inlet tube setup is a disgrace but at short notice what are you gunna do? Anyone got a 5.0 coil bracket kickin around?
And here it is itching to get out of the filthy workshop.
I'll post again when I've done some TwEECin and fitted the Pro-M 80 again. Oh and I'll get some shots of where to cut the bonnet bracing for intake clearance.
Cheers,
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