Home |  Forums |  Search |  My Profile |  Chat  Photo Gallery |  Events Calendar |  Technical Documents  No messages |  New Posts |  Watched Topics |  Register   366 clevo: is it possible????          Forum Index -> V8 Workshop Latest ratings Highest-ranked posts Highest-ranked topics Highest-ranked posters   Disco Frank Fordmods Junkie Age:29 Posts: 13749 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:53 pm    Post subject: 366 clevo: is it possible???? ok there is this guy i know who reckons he has a 366 clevo is this possible???? it has ahad a 30 or 40 thou over bore, i know this will make increase teh capcity nut not by 15ci. from what i know to make a 366 clevo it would need a custom crank and rods can anyone else confirm that this guy is talking through his pie hole! also what are the bore and stroke on a 351 clevo? ohh and wil la xy wagon with 200 rwhp and 2.78 diff do a 14.1 sec 1/4? Last edited by Disco Frank on Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:03 am, edited 1 time in total Back to top Interceptor Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:27 Posts: 7287 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere in QLD, Australia View User Gallery (12) Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:56 pm    Post subject: tis possible, but involves an offset ground crank Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:13 am    Post subject: haha disco,,, ok,,, the exact displacement in Cubic inches is pretty aproximate, due to teh fact teh guy that built the engine (only the short block remains) gave me all the specs on it verbally and said it had a 6 litre displacement now, after him and his mate were playing with it,, working that out in my head, is about 366ci, feel free to correct me if im wrong,, its a mild very streetable setup, and has ran a best time of 14.0 and 14.1 in the wagon, should improve when i get the 3.1's off my desk and into the 9" i think the bottom end is getting tired and when i do the rebuild im hopin for some more Ci's again.. using a 393 stroker crank and acl flat tops,, upping the compression ratio and fitting strongervalve springs as they float when it starts getting towards the top of the cam. Ther's always money to spend. Last edited by Sketch on Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:21 am, edited 1 time in total Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:29 am    Post subject: From memory i think its 4.000 X 3.580 but i could be wrong, its been a while. Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:38 am    Post subject: Francis, im not gonna argue with you, ive told you as much as i know, im not in trial here,, As far as i know, the gtech is accurate to +/- 0.1sec, goin on spec and test sheets, but i didnt design the damn thing, i can only go on what ive read, in various places. and i ran a 14.100@ 161.0265 and 14.009 @ 156.7501 with 60" We all know the damn car was barely runnin on the dyno day, and you can't dispute that i went home and got the car in the middle of teh day cause i wasnt going to run it due to mechanical irregularities,,, and when i did, it was to see what happens, and use it as a test,, obviously something, was very wrong, hence teh rediculous power curve,or should i say power stairs,,, and reading Youve seen me flog you, and you run 14.9 at your best, and by the look of you in my rearview, hehe, i wouldnt be hard to guess at least .8 faster.,and thats NOT using the gtech,, How do you like THEM apple's.,,, now leave me alone. Last edited by Sketch on Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:45 am, edited 1 time in total Back to top Disco Frank Fordmods Junkie Age:29 Posts: 13749 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:42 am    Post subject: 4.00 x 3.50 inches (101.6 mm x 89.0 mm). ... 351 Cleveland. ... the cubic capacity is bore X bore X stroke X number of cylinders X 0.7854 = 351.8592 a 30thou overbore = 357.156 40 thou overbore = 358.931 hence u do not have a 366 clevo as u state, unless u have ofset ground cran with the right size rods. Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:46 am    Post subject: ahh, frank,,, look at the stroke i posted, then work it out. and dude, i didnt put the mofo IN, im just going from what i was told when i bought the car, untill im proven otherwise, i.e when i change to a 393 crank and measure this one, then im going to assume teh guy that built the engine, did what he said,, ther'd be no reason to say its a 6 litre instead of a 5.8, its not a huge difference, and wouldnt have affected the purchace anyway,,, who knows franky at "3.580" perhaps it does have a "ofset ground cran" hahaha Last edited by Sketch on Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:50 am, edited 1 time in total Back to top Macca Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:36 Posts: 3247 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Singleton NSW, Australia View User Gallery (15) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:47 am    Post subject: Re: 366 clevo: is it possible???? Disco Frank wrote: ohh and wil la xy wagon with 200 rwhp and 2.78 diff do a 14.1 sec 1/4? If it weighs around 1550kgs it is probable, high 13's with "traction" and the right gearing, like a lot of cars out there, it is possible but hard to get without the setup for dragging. Back to top Disco Frank Fordmods Junkie Age:29 Posts: 13749 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:47 am    Post subject: Sketch wrote: Francis, im not gonna argue with you, ive told you as much as i know, im not in trial here, name is frank not francis get that right for 1 u d**k snap your claims are on trial hence u are. Quote: We all know the damn car was barely runnin on the dyno day, and you can't dispute that i went home and got the car in the middle of teh day cause i wasnt going to run it due to mechanical irregularities,,, and when i did, it was to see what happens, and use it as a test,, obviously something, was very wrong, hence teh rediculous power curve,or should i say power stairs,,, and reading ahh yes your expected exscuses Quote: Youve seen me flog you, and you run 14.9 at your best, How do you like THEM apple's.,,, now leave me alone. yes a 14.9 at the DRAG strip and when have we had a run? i am yet to rember draging you at all. we have been travelling down the same raod at spedd before yes and i slowed downs as doing more than 160 through the tunnel is plain stupid you have yet to flog me as you say take you car donw to teh plex and proove me wrong Back to top Interceptor Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:27 Posts: 7287 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere in QLD, Australia View User Gallery (12) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:06 am    Post subject: frank, settle down and chill out dude we dont know what's in his block, so for all we know there could be some pretty exotic gear in there, anything from: 1: a 400clevo crank and different rods 2: offset ground crank and a set of rods from god alone knows where 3: even a big $$ custom crank, stock length clevo rods 4: maybe it's been resleeved and retains a standard stroke crank and rods with oversized pistons 5: i'm not too sure on this one, but possibly it's a 400 block (not sure on the bore of the 400's, but IIRC it's a shade more than the 351) theres a million and one different possibilities and combinations out there Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:18 am    Post subject: Interceptor wrote: frank, settle down and chill out dude we dont know what's in his block, so for all we know there could be some pretty exotic gear in there, anything from: 1: a 400clevo crank and different rods 2: offset ground crank and a set of rods from god alone knows where 3: even a big $$ custom crank, stock length clevo rods 4: maybe it's been resleeved and retains a standard stroke crank and rods with oversized pistons 5: i'm not too sure on this one, but possibly it's a 400 block (not sure on the bore of the 400's, but IIRC it's a shade more than the 351) theres a million and one different possibilities and combinations out there Steve Williams in geraldton would be the man to ask, he created it, might be worth asking him for exact specs if he's still got them, him and his mate had some crazy stuff in his yard, van's with 350's, big block cougars and a crazy landcruiser 351. local legend has it, and a few pics, that before he started the body restore on the Xy, that it had a ford 460 in it,,, hence the beefed up C4 and 31spline 9" then he dropped the smaller 351C block in, to reduce weight and understeer, i think he had his eyes on an XC for his 460, would be a monster. Quote: Matti Batti, your a queer C***. No one but yourself gives a f**k about your false claims of your vechiles performance. " umm, frank brought them up, i just told him what i know, i dont know the duration of the cam i just put in, off the top of my head, does that mean i dont have a cam? Quote: Oh I need to rebuild the bottom end again, its getting a bit tired. Thats a quality 365 you had built then isnt it... Lasted a hell of a long time, I think not. i didnt have it built, and he told me when i bought it, that it only had about 100K Km's left in the bottom end, i spent a bunch on teh heads a few months ago, and they beautyfull now, thx to Luke at Port Kennedy Performance. Last edited by Sketch on Tue Dec 28, 2004 1:23 am, edited 1 time in total Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:27 am    Post subject: and an eqation i did in my head on the spot, lol im stoked i was even close he said about 6 litres, i said 366ci, .14 off Back to top dcstraight Moderator Age:30 Posts: 3812 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Melbourne Interior: Cappucino Exterior: Sparkling Burgundy VIC, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:05 pm    Post subject: Cleaned up thread ! Keep this on topic people - flaming can be kept off the tech forums thanks Cheers, Steve Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 12:15 pm    Post subject: thx Back to top Macca Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:36 Posts: 3247 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Singleton NSW, Australia View User Gallery (15) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 2:42 pm    Post subject: dcstraight wrote: Cleaned up thread ! Keep this on topic people - flaming can be kept off the tech forums thanks Cheers, Steve Just Frank on the piss again, to drunk to know V8 Workshop is not flaming. Back to top Interceptor Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:27 Posts: 7287 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Somewhere in QLD, Australia View User Gallery (12) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: as i said before my post was deleted, i cant believe you lot are being so bloody picky over 1 cubic inch! Back to top Sketch Fordmods Parts Gopher Posts: 75 Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Location: Woodlands WA, Australia View User Gallery (8) Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: most manufacturer's if not all, round up to the next cubic inch, or metric unit anyway... Back to top 66 coupe Fordmods - Getting Side Ways Age:29 Posts: 820 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (0) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 12:37 am    Post subject: Well my theory is quite simple, if its a 351 crank, then its a 351, who gives a s**t if its 20, 40 or 60 thou bored.... its still a 351, not a 366 or anything else, unless its offset ground (yes boring increases displacement but who really gives a s**t, hell you could even grind 3cc out of the heads, then you've got a 375, but it doesnt mean it will go any harder than a std 351) On the stroker subject, use a std bore block, as the pistons to suit a 393 are very short and exert a lot of sideways load and wear the thinner bores quicker. When my brother got the pistons for his 393 and showed me, i laughed at them, they are shorter than most pistons found in 4cyl buzz boxes. The SCAT cranks and rods look good though Back to top Disco Frank Fordmods Junkie Age:29 Posts: 13749 Joined: 05 Nov 2004 Location: Perth WA, Australia View User Gallery (7) Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:40 am    Post subject: 66 coupe wrote: Well my theory is quite simple, if its a 351 crank, then its a 351, who gives a s**t if its 20, 40 or 60 thou bored.... its still a 351, not a 366 or anything else, unless its offset ground (yes boring increases displacement but who really gives a s**t, hell you could even grind 3cc out of the heads, then you've got a 375, but it doesnt mean it will go any harder than a std 351) thankyou jamie! 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